Thirty days, thirty days everywhere...I wonder why? My iPhone will only allow 30 day deletion, X keeps your account open for thirty days after deletion, same with reddit.
Conspiracy?
Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
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Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#302It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…
After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#303After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#304After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
Most companies have legal agreements called "Zero Data Retention" with these providers that bans them from storing any data that you send them (we are one of those companies).
The difference here is that for the first time Anthropic have said that's not available for 'Mythos class' models.
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would you trust anything they say at face value? When they literally just showed you they are being deceptive by sneaking in the weasel word “almost”?
Firstly, none of this post is the contract people are signing. So it's merely a summary. Secondly, like all contracts I'm sure there will be exceptions for holding data longer than 30 days with reasonable cause, eg a legal hold.
This reply does not make sense.
I did not claim it was the literal contract people would sign?
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#306It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…
however dont all these AI companies retain your non-training data indefinitely? Did I miss something where they suddenly gave you the option to opt-out of retaining your non-training data? I thought that was a big money grab of theirs.
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#307It is actually worse than that. It is at least 30 days. There is an "almost" that is doing a ton of heavy lifting here "deletion after 30 days in almost all cases". My read of that is they can hang onto data for as long as they want, even if they usually won't. And "all traffic" with an agentic harness is basically your entire codebase you work on. > We will require 30-day retention for all traffic on Mythos-class mo…
After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
and you can't opt out of data retention for non-training purposes. so I think theres a bit of a psyop occurring here.
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d be more scared of a data leak due to LargeCo being hacked than I would about LargeCo prying into the data. What I don’t trust LargeCo with is personal information. I’ve heard too many horror stories about Govs and LargeCos swapping customer nudes or stalking ex’s to be comfortable with anything personal on those systems. But that’s a whole different topic.
Well, I mean, basically any data leak violated privacy laws and opens you up to extremely expensive lawsuits to litigate. Anyone dealing with healthcare/patient data, police customers, military customers, etc. should not be using LLMs in general or at least ones that are not on-premise. Because if there is a data leak it could bankrupt the business.
There is a massive difference between using LLMs as coding agents, and using them to analyze PII like healthcare data.
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#309After the AI companies just blatanty lying that they weren't hoovering up people's IP and art for training I assume they collect any and all data they can get their hands on for training. When it comes to the big AI players feeding their future models I 100% just assume that they suck up any data we send them. Am I cynical?
Most companies have legal agreements called "Zero Data Retention" with these providers that bans them from storing any data that you send them (we are one of those companies). The difference here is that for the first time Anthropic have said that's not available for 'Mythos class' models.
Sure. That's what they say but does anyone actually trust what they say about where they are getting their data? They also had a legal requirement not to steal IP, they said they weren't and then it came out that both OpenAI and Anthropic were pirating mass amounts of media. When they said they weren't doing this they were knowingly lying. I'm quite certain that some (if not all big players) are retaining data from their customers despite explicit agreements not to do so. As a data engineer myself, I know how easy this is to do.
Re: Anthropic requires 30 day data retention for Fable and Mythos
#310Fortunately I can't use Fable anyway, since their hyperactive content flaggers do not let you work on anything remotely biological or medical related (i.e. parse a CSV with some medical content, nope, you're probably a bioterrorist) and you get downgraded to Opus immediately.
Yeah... I've got downgraded to Opus 4.8 in a purely theoretical discussion of a secure permission model for agent tool calls. So classifier is very broad, indeed