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Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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>> Source for the claim that nicotine use "ruins" gut health? Not gut health specifically, but we run the tests on taking nicotine orally for nicotine sprays. It's definitely makes ulcers more likely to happen in short term usage. What's even worse, it definitely fucks up your neuromodulators, which is very bad for children and young adults. That's a well known fact, it's why it's addictive, and that's why quitting i…

> What's even worse, it definitely fucks up your neuromodulators fwiw despite decades of research into nicotine, we have very little data on how bad it actually is at low dosages and via delivery methods other than tobbacco. The vast majority of research on nicotine by itself is in the context of smoking cessation. A lot of the risks people warn about wrt nicotine (dopamine spikes, vasoconstriction, dependence, etc.)…

>> we have very little data on how bad it actually is at low dosages and via delivery methods other than tobbacco

Not true, we have a lot of data about using nicotine as pesticide. And quite a lot about oral toxicity. Pharma had nicotine sprays and tablets tasted for decades. Wouldn't be allowed on european market otherwise.

>> A lot of the risks people warn about wrt nicotine (dopamine spikes)

you misunderstand. The dopamine from coffee is purely from a personal enjoyment, while nicotine binds directly into nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in the brain. It doesn't matter how it enters the blood, it will alter neurotransmitter activity.

That's why сytisine is so good for battling a nicotine addiction — it binds the same receptors and prevents the nicotine binding. It's like swapping one addiction for another, except nicotine stays in your system for a week while сytisine leaves quickly (5h).

So, you see, it's not "the same" as coffee, it's more like taking longlasting antianixiety or ADHD meds recreationally.

When you need meds like that, altering your brain chemistry is a desirable outcome, of course. I'm not against drugs overall.

But drugs like that are prescription only for a reason.

>> some of it suggests nicotine could be helpful for ADHD

some of what I've read also suggests that nicotine could be helpful for schizophrenia. But given that we know what mechanism it targets, I fully believe we can find an alternative formula that wouldn't be so toxic to humans.

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Any good faith reply would take, as clear, that the issue is not with using a big mixer and that that is not what anyone, on earth, means when they talk about "industrial processing" or "using additives (perhaps not typically considered "food" in an of themselves) for emulsifying, flavor, shelf stability & preservation, color, etc.". Parsing words seems super intellectual when you're 12 years old arguing with your mo…

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Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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Sustenance is a health benefit. Shelf life is a health benefit. Convenience is a health benefit. If you have options when choosing food, a framework that helps you choose the better option is useful. The history of food production is mostly centered around developing options that provide, as a baseline, the three advantages you casually dismiss.

> Shelf life is a health benefit. Then why don't we pickle or ferment things anymore ? Ah right because it's not as profitable. Listening to you guys it seems like Americans in the 80s were starving and we should praise microwave meals for saving us from extinction.

Funny, you left out "curing" from that list.

All three preservation techniques are practiced today as they have been since antiquity. It is not clear to me where food so preserved are likely to fall on the processed / ultra-processed spectrum...

Re: Ultra-processed foods in the global food system: The role of tobacco companies

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What you’re describing sounds terrible in isolation, but usually these measures are only done if truly needed — at least in Europe? I passed on the jaw realignment surgery, knowing that the consequences are more bone wear over time and that I’ll never fully recover usage on the left side of my mouth. None of the dentists/orthos/surgeons involved said I *had* to do it, there is a trade off. Breaking your jaw might wea…

> usually these measures are only done if truly needed — at least in Europe? I’m not in Europe :) Nah my dude, my dentist peddles all sorts of ridiculous unnecessary treatments. Invisalign? I’m 50, I don’t give a shit about how my teeth look, just want them not to fall off all at once. Invisalign is a subscription for your teeth. No thanks. I stay with this dentist because they are friendly, technically competent and…

Ah, well… that doesn’t sound great, no. There’s plenty of 1/4-the-cost Invisalign competitors, maybe your dentist doesn't get a cut out of them.
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