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Post by jjtheblunt »

ceejayoz wrote: post #137
jjtheblunt wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Happily, this practice is illegal in California. that's totally irrelevant: Conde Nast for Wired is a shameless offender, for example. took me hours to cancel some autorenewing subscription i never subscribed for, perhaps enabled years ago through some dark pattern in iOS, but i genuinely don't know, and am not easily tricked.

Wired once sent my dad to collections for an automatic renewal that wasn't even due yet .

it's disgusting these scammers just get to keep on scamming with no consequences

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Post by zzgo »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #176
queenkjuul wrote: post #153

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I won't even read the NYT lol let alone pay for it. Iraq war: not even once.

If you only read news from companies against the iraq war your options consist pretty much solely of companies that didnt exist on 9/11.

Maybe don't only read the corporate news, then? It's not like sites like Talking Points Memo didn't exist in the early 00s.

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Post by wombat-man »

TheTon wrote: post #294
wombat-man wrote: post #263

I cancelled recently because they really started hassling me more about account sharing. My friends, I do not share my NYT account. I have two computers at work, I have a number of personal devices. I don't know what number NYT thinks is normal for a person to have, but because I am over that number they were requiring me to login and enter in an OTP multiple times a day basically. Anyway, it finally got to me. I'll…

The number is as low as 2. Hell, it may even be 1! I have had a subscription for years, I do not share it, and I read on 2 devices, and they've been hassling me with this nonsense for the past week or so. I'm holding out hope it's just a bug and they'll stop, but if it goes on much longer I will cancel too.

Their AI support bot is insultingly bad, I'd kind of prefer a contact email and an auto response. good grief.

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Post by ethagnawl »

wfh wrote: post #266
ethagnawl wrote: post #54

The UX anti-pattern of theirs which really grinds my gears is the "Continue reading in the app -- it's better." modal which appears when reading articles on the web. There does not seem to be a way to permanently opt out of it. I'm sure I could use GreaseMonkey or whatever to dismiss it for me but I mostly read articles on my phone, which makes any of that harder. The larger point, though, is that I shouldn't have to…

I emailed them about this and they said they would consider removing it. But need more people to complain. If you are a paying subscriber please let them know! There is power in your voice.

I will do this. Thanks for the nudge.

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Post by andsoitis »

Centigonal wrote: post #68
dieselgate wrote: post #10

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I respect your opinion but am grateful for and find tremendous value in my NYT subscription. I share it with my SO and read their articles constantly. Prior to getting a subscription I was a "turn js off" kind of person - which is fine I suppose and still do it for other sites. I do not maintain any streaming or other subscriptions outside of Deezer (and a Garmin GPS FWIW). I would like a Bloomberg subscription but t…

This is an interesting topic. If a company does something you approve of (e.g. do journalism) and something else you disapprove of (e.g. make canceling hard), is there a good way to signal both as a consumer? This is also relevant in the context of companies like Target, which has been boycotted by both sides of the US political spectrum for various reasons.

In this particular case, presumably if you value their journalism you would not cancel your subscription!

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Post by bornfreddy »

kmoser wrote: post #188
Centigonal wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an interesting topic. If a company does something you approve of (e.g. do journalism) and something else you disapprove of (e.g. make canceling hard), is there a good way to signal both as a consumer? This is also relevant in the context of companies like Target, which has been boycotted by both sides of the US political spectrum for various reasons.

> If a company does something you approve of [...] and something else you disapprove of [...], is there a good way to signal both as a consumer? I'm a fan of writing actual paper letters, which are (marginally) harder to ignore than emails, and (at least I like to think) carry a bit more moral authority, since I'm making the effort to print and (pay to) send them. In my letter I make it clear what I like they're doin…

> My pet peeve with the NY Times online is that there's no escaping the upsell screen after logging on.

I know this is not your point, and you should not be forced to do this, but uBlock Origin has a very nice filter which can hide DOM elements on the page if you set it up. Lifesaver with annoying webpages.

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Post by sschueller »

lostlogin wrote: post #73
sschueller wrote: post #53

Let's just stop the shenanigans and just already have the CIA finance it directly...

What are you referring to?

They yet have to formerly or directly call what is happening in Gaza a genocide.

This paper is a propaganda and consent manufacturing device of the state voluntarily or not. It is due to many factors but also access journalism.

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Post by mathw »

m4tthumphrey wrote: post #132

Semi linked: I, like many others, play Wordle daily. When the page loads, there is a button to play todays challenge. Then, there is a very small delay (like 100ms) and suddenly a button to "View all games" appears, right where you would have tapped/clicked on the button to play the puzzle. To me, viewing all games is a way to "see what you could have" if you subscribed.

Ah the good old "move the thing you're about to click on just before you click it" thing. Soooo many UIs have this problem and it is driving me crazy. I feel like there needs to be a rule that once you've rendered a clickable thing you can't move it until the user does something that might reasonably cause it to move.

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

mikestew wrote: post #111
iscrewyou wrote: post #50

I was a subscriber and stopped simply because they have ads in the app. I could look past the slowness of the app than what a webpage could deliver but ads in articles for paid subscribers? Cancelled it.

The NYT, as well as just about every other newspaper, has always had ads in the print edition whether you subscribed or not. Subscriptions have rarely paid the full cost of producing a newspaper. In the case of magazines, I would argue that the whole point of the magazine is to carry ads that target a specific demographic. The articles are just there to make you buy it.

magazines and newspapers costed money to print and distribute. that cost is now near zero.

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

no_no_no_yes wrote: post #5
epistasis wrote: post #3

NYTimes is predatory on subscriptions. Over my long lifetime I've subscribed twice, and regretted it both times with intensity. Any place that allows easy instantaneous subscription by a simple web form, but makes you call and talk to a person during limited business hours for cancellation , is a toxic place. I've been told they have stopped this predatory practice due to some newly passed laws or something, but they…

You can subscribe with your library card and get access to all NYTimes (games/crosswords too). One caveat is the subscription "rental" is for only a 3 day period, so you have "renew" your subscription every 3 days. This only takes 2 clicks though. For San Francisco public library: https://ezproxy.sfpl.org/login/nyt .

My US public library doesn't offer that. I'm glad yours does, though.
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