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EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Like what? The clothes are all 100% plastic polyester shit with extra chemicals. If you have proof of otherwise, show me. Yes I make enough to buy good clothes. If I REALLY need cheap clothes H&M basics are always there. Same with anything else, IT and tech parts I shop in Sweden. What else? Like, what is so needed now that you did not need before but you need to buy plastic China crap from Temu now?

More niche hardware has been impossible for me to find in the EU marketplaces I got to with searches, with only availability from US ebay, and then Chinese marketplaces. Or if it does exist here it's the same used part but it costs 500€ instead of 40

ah okay, I was more raging on the people buying fast fashion crap clothes, chargers and household items. All crap, all landfill quality.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Taobao and Temu are great. The quality is not always amazing, but the prices are low and many sellers even offer customisation. In Australia, the product selection is often limited, and a lot of local stores are just reselling Chinese-made products with huge markups anyway. At that point, you may as well order directly from China and save money. It also saves 10% GST.

Temu charges GST (I presume taobao as well)

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Say what you may of Temu, and I do think more vetting of certain goods is a good idea, but they fill a very real need. In the part of Europe where I live, the choice is only between intermediaries for the same products coming from China. The local intermediaries sell a very limited picking at staggering margins. And when it comes to certain things, like electronic components, the choice is between importing (old) Ame…

> but they fill a very real need.

That is not a good reason to fudge certifications and sell dangerous goods. I sympathise with your use case, but the solution is not "let’s just import whatever, as long as it’s cheap".

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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> If the product is sold in your site, you must be responsible of it. But this is an internet store.

So we should give up regulating them? All stored are internet stores.

No, I'm just being glib in expressing the frustration that it seems impossible to hold them to the same rules as brick and mortar stores.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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But I still think chargers and children's toys are exactly where the line should be drawn

I think the line should be much earlier than that. But even with this very thin line, like the parent said, the deficient products are everywhere. Just look at the recalls in any major store here (Carrefour, Action, Leclerc). And that's for the main brands/distributors, go into any bazaar or market and you'll find the exact same products you find on Aliexpress/Temu, but with 10x price markup, like the parent said. Do…

> i just don't understand why only Temu is being held responsible of the entire broken capitalist system

They are not really. If one of the big brand shop is found importing stuff with fake certificate, they’ll experience the same thing. One of the advantage of the stores you mention is that they have a procedure for recalls, and their responsibility is on the line if they sell faulty goods. Good luck getting anything from Temu or AliExpress in the same situation (at least Amazon is very good with this).

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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At least in the UK, the main high-street retailers will only stock goods from reputable brands with a (relatively) decent track record and safety standards. I don't believe there is any intersection between products sold on Temu and e.g. Argos, John Lewis.

Identical chargers to temu ones are sold on amazon for 5x the price.

This talking point is everywhere in this thread. But bear in mind that you have no clue whether two chargers (for example) are the same without disassembling them and checking. Noname Chinese manufacturers are very good at producing things that are superficially similar to other things. It does not mean that two widgets that look similar actually are.

The main difference with most physical stores is that those will accept responsibility for the stuff they sell, because otherwise regulations would put them out of business.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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With that thinking, people would still be buying unlabelled arsenic wallpaper. Consumer standards are a net benefit to society. > and people are (incorrectly and dangerously) expecting to be protected now. The general public hasn’t the faintest idea how to differentiate between a safe product and an unsafe one, and they shouldn’t have to

> The general public hasn’t the faintest idea how to differentiate between a safe product and an unsafe one, and they shouldn’t have to The problem being that a marketplace platform with millions of small sellers has no reasonable way to do this either.

Then, that marketplace has no viable business. Society does not owe them anything. Seriously, if your business model requires you to sell illegal stuff, then your company does not deserve to survive. That’s the basics of regulation.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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But I still think chargers and children's toys are exactly where the line should be drawn

I've bought both from AliExpress before and they were fine. Just required common sense.

Common sense? What sort of common sense allows you to remotely assess the safety and build of a product? Even if you get a charger in your hand, can you tell?

Can your family? How about your neibhbors? Does anyone you know have this ability?

There is no common sense to be had here. There are people with more specialized information that I have that look into this. There are laws to address this - and I'm pretty sure these laws were written with the blood of folks killed by faulty products.

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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Are parents supposed to perform safety and toxicity testing on all products they buy?

“Supposed to”? I’ll do whatever reading, and due diligence keeps my family safe. I’ll abstain from things until I’m sure. Others might choose the same.

There are markings that certify that some things are safe according to some standards. You are not in a situation to know what actually is safe or to be able to test it (really, you are not; if you think you are, go talk to your nearest electrical engineer, chemist, or molecular biologist who will provide you several examples of the limitations of your knowledge and abilities). Therefore, trusting those certifications is important, and companies that falsify them must be punished so they stop doing so. It’s not complicated and that’s the whole point of the procedure (and the fine).

Re: EU fines Temu €200M for allowing sale of illegal products

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And the losses from having warehouses storing zillions of products that do not get sold for a long time. There’s a reason the likes of Aldi and Lidl have limited product choice.

Aldi and Lidl deal with perishable goods. Temu (by and large) doesn't.

Fine, Action then.
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