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Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by throwaway27448 »

asdff wrote: post #241
throwaway27448 wrote: post #224

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True. Israel begins, Israel assassinates and complains about being targeted by terrorism. Israel begins the loop again. What is more reliable than Israel? Iran would be a better ally. China would be a better ally. Fucking Russia would be a better ally. Why did we decide to die on the hills of (loosely translated, I guess) mageddo? But instead our state leans into exterminating people because our PR team was inspired…

It is like a modern day state of Prussia. A beachhead and airstrip in the middle east. Weapons manufacturing. Rocket science. A cyber security firm. An intelligence agency. Some of the best in the world at these things. All wrapped up into one. This is why nations like to ally with Israel. But again, if you don't want problems with Israel don't make problems with Israel. Their populace is militarized like few other a…

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Post by manphone »

lux-lux-lux wrote: post #298
brightball wrote: post #295

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> Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. How much more is the US supposed to do in Ukraine beyond the $60-70 billion in weapons and supplies? Do we need to actually go to war with Russia?

New Ukraine aid effectively ended with the current administration, if you were unaware

Oh, they were aware from the phrasing they ate implying that we’ve already spent enough and we should stop, which is exactly what Trump was saying and is totally stupid if you want the world not to be run by Vladimir Putin.

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Post by MaxPock »

bluegatty wrote: post #291
lysace wrote: post #266

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Unfortunately the EU still hasn't gotten the balls to confiscate that frozen oligarchy money, so no. Just wait, though. Soon you will cry. ;)

That's right, but Ukraine got $90B from Europe knowing most of it would come back for equipment purchases. Also - I think that EU is going to try to figure out a way to get that Russian money. If they can't, then the EU should not exist - literally. It's decisive evidence that the bureaucracy can't even face an existential threat on it's own existence because it can't organize it's own legal concerns. "We remained la…

If Russia is an existential threat to EU, wouldn't it make sense to confiscate that money and declare war on Moscow ? Either that or Russia is not a threat.

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Post by 8note »

866-RON-0-FEZ wrote: post #56
munk-a wrote: post #51

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Without the second election of Trump? It's likely. Canada's aircraft industry got majorly burned by the US in 2017 during his first administration and Biden didn't significantly reverse the impact in any way.

> Canada's aircraft industry got majorly burned by the US in 2017 Canada's aircraft industry has been on life support since long before Trump took office, having been forced to partner up with China. The C-Series was divested to Airbus, the Dash 8 isn't produced anymore, and all Bombardier proper produces are biz-jets.

trump is now going after said biz-jets

its straight economic warfare on behalf of Boeing

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Post by 8note »

lwansbrough wrote: post #261
ge96 wrote: post #6

Bring back the Arrow

Something new please. We should be looking forward not pining for what could have been. The future of air superiority, particularly with respect to sovereign defence is passive or quantum radar, autonomous A2/AD and directed energy.

we can still call it an arrow though

or a whole series of arrows

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Post by 8note »

adjejmxbdjdn wrote: post #250
khriss wrote: post #30

I can understand why this change happened. Even if American equipment is superior, there is a lot of value to not depending on a supposed 'ally' which * Arbitrarily slapped high tariffs on all goods from Canada while exempting Russia and Belarus. * Threatened to take over the country by force. * Officially suspended the Permanent Joint Board on Defense between US and Canada because of criticism of US foreign policy b…

From a very practical PoV, the only military threat to Canada is from the U.S. Even if the U.S. and Canada are enemies, if Canada is being attacked by a country that is not the U.S., then the U.S. will come to its defense because they don’t want another nation with the capability to attack Canada to have a North American presence. So given that the U.S. is the only possible military threat to the U.S., and now that t…

its currently doubtful that the US would come to canada's defense

maybe offer some targetting intelligence, but most likely the US government would look to sell out canada for peanuts, the same as trump has been looking for with ukraine, and now taiwan

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Post by 8note »

nickff wrote: post #64
daneel_w wrote: post #52

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> "Even if American equipment is superior ..." To address the article's context, is the E-3 Sentry superior to the Erieye/GlobalEye?

The comparable aircraft is the more modern E-7 Wedgetail, which has many features that are superior for Canada's use case (notably including range and NORAD integration). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-7_Wedgetail Canada has unfortunately been in conflict with Boeing since before either of Trump's terms, originally triggered by Boeing's trade complaints regarding Bombardier's government subsidies.

is norad integration actually important?

norad might not exist in 5-10 years

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Post by 8note »

dleslie wrote: post #239
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #217

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The trade deficit with Canada is because Americans are buying Canadian products. Enough Canadians (seriously, the vast majority) live close enough to the border that they could make a weekly trip to the USA and purchase American dairy and other American goods. In fact, prior to the tariffs many Canadians did make regular shopping trips across the border. So let's be clear: we were buying your products to the extent w…

no the trade deficit is the US buying canadian oil at a deep discount.

canada buys US products and services to a large trade deficit where canadians get stuff in exchange for dollars.

its just oil that the americans are really buying from canada

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Post by 8note »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #217
dleslie wrote: post #206

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Trump did not rise to power in isolation. He has not remained in isolation while in power. Voter support for Trump is still reasonably strong, and Trump and his supporters have ensured that the mechanisms of Government are packed with loyalists. America chose this. America continues to tolerate this. America enabled this. This isn't something that Trump can be scapegoated for. This is what many Americans wanted, or a…

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meanwhile, the US is trying to get a much closer relationship with china than canada, and does a hell of a lot more trade with china than canada does.

its literally just oil that makes up that trade surplus. if you want the taps turned off, that can be arranged

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Post by 8note »

nxm wrote: post #270
lysace wrote: post #66

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> Canada is very unlikely to be invaded Except from the south.

If it’s invaded then a few Swedish panes will really not matter

ukrainian drones will though, and saab is also selling to ukraine
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