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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 25, 2026, 11:24 PM UTC

aspenmartin wrote: post #275

castedo wrote: post #272

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> The fact that these "stochastic code extruders" can solve Erdos problems is sort of the proof in the pudding. This claim is very misleading and not really true. It reflects the kind of exaggeration and spin made by corporate marketing. I would not call this a fact at all. Like many claims made by for-profit marketing, if one looks into the details and think critically about what is being claimed, one can see that c…

> exaggeration and spin made by corporate marketing. corporate marketing spins and hypes, but this is an ultimately pretty academic and mathematical field. The loud LinkedIn promoters are not building these systems. "if one looks into the details and think critically about what is being claimed, one can see that consumers are jumping to false conclusions." well then help us out here: can you be specific? To me it sou…

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Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by thenthenthen » Mon, May 25, 2026, 11:31 PM UTC

innodendo wrote: post #145

My experience programming is so much different than theirs makes me wonder what I missed out on. I have always programmed on my own, and I can't even think about a single time I have talked to a person in depth about programming (both online and in person). It sounds fun and exciting, but unfortunately I have simply never had the opportunities in life to do so. For me, AI is the first time I have ever been able to ge…

Same, so we started organising workshops, super super cool and you learn so much every time. That said, if you want to meet people around any sorta topic, do it yourself: host a workshop!

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by dmix » Mon, May 25, 2026, 11:58 PM UTC

dakiol wrote: post #281

dmix wrote: post #237

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There were lots of proprietary database companies in the 70s-90s when they first came out (Oracle, IBM, Sybase, SQL Server), but these days open source databases are the default. Everyone's making so many wild predictions based off the current state of LLMs. We don't know how the market will unfold. Even in regards to programming competency and the culture of vibecoding, it's similar to the early stages of electric c…

> Everyone's making so many wild predictions based off the current state of LLMs. We don't know how the market will unfold. So wouldn't it be wiser to err on the side of caution?

If your goal is to get upvotes on the internet, sure doomposting will be rewarded

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by unknownfuture » Tue, May 26, 2026, 12:04 AM UTC

ori_b wrote: post #298

unknownfuture wrote: post #270

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No, coding is the act of reifying all the things that actually matter--the requirements, the visual design, the system design, etc--into a form that a computer can execute. The biggest value proposition of an LLM is being able to focus on the truly high-value activities while allowing the machine take care of much of that reification. That you think architecture or interior design isn't building tells you prefer to d…

If you give up on the details, you lose the ability to do a good job on the high level structure. The entire purpose of the high level structure is setting things up so that the details fit cleanly.

For junior developers, I absolutely agree that's a major risk, and it's something I'm deeply worried about as these tools take over the industry, as understanding those details helps inform why a given architecture is needed.

For someone who's been around the block a few times, there's little new under the sun. Coming up with good architecture for a problem space and having the LLM fill in the details is incredibly effective as a pattern.

That said, tbh I'm not sure why we keep exchanging messages. Your other comment about coding with AI assistance as being akin to buying a statue tells me you have either never coded with an agent, and so think it's a simple matter of saying "build me a to-do app" and then calling it a day, or you're experienced with these tools and deliberately misrepresenting the process.

If it's the former, then we don't share enough understanding to have a healthy conversation, and if it's the latter then there's little point in arguing with someone who insists in doing so in bad faith.

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Post by gordian-mind » Tue, May 26, 2026, 12:42 AM UTC

righthand wrote: post #50

gordian-mind wrote: post #40

I don't think AI changed anything at all to the possibility of communicating between humans. This is a job that you've always been able to do alone in your cave.

Really? How do you learn how to code with out communicating with another human? Which man pages in a general Linux install will teach you all you need to know? Without communication you get no books, no StackOverflow, no-LLMs even. You were allowed to do it alone but we can't pretend humans communicating isn't how most of the available knowledge for your perusal came to be.

Overly generalizing the notion of "communication" makes this whole exchange useless, pure noise. A LLM wouldn't have made that mistake.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by mbgerring » Tue, May 26, 2026, 12:50 AM UTC

aspenmartin wrote: post #210

mbgerring wrote: post #206

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>> Shipping poor quality and user hostile software actually hurts people. > Could not agree more. So why do you think humans are inherently better at this? Because humans are capable of empathy

Why is that a prerequisite? There are entire philosophies about what makes good design for UI's etc. Why can't models figure this out? Why do you feel this is some sort of mystical thing out of reach?

If you think all of the complexity of the human experience is reducible to statistical weights between tokens, that’s fine. Go with God. I don’t think that it is.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by i_love_retros » Tue, May 26, 2026, 2:32 AM UTC

joe_mamba wrote: post #15

i_love_retros wrote: post #12

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Hasn't all automation up to this point been same input equals same output though? Automation using LLMs feels different to anything before and I don't think there's a comparative time in history to point at and say "look it happened before and we are now better off"

No, because you still need a skilled human operator in the loop for clearly defining the input and to check the output. Machinists and lathe operators became CNC operators, they didn't lose their jobs, just that instead of turning the inputs by hand, they punch numbers in a machine, but the advent of CNC didn't mean anyone off the street can now punch numbers in the machine and replace the machinists since you still…

Dude relax, you can keep using Claude

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by josephg » Tue, May 26, 2026, 2:44 AM UTC

cryo32 wrote: post #63

r2_pilot wrote: post #61

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I'm glad that you find achievement in the personal challenge. At home, I'm just getting things done. Small things, bigger things, and best of all I get to pet the dog more while it works in the background.

Yeah so don't bother. I don't write code at home. What's the point? I go on holiday once a month!

So, you don't even work on personal projects? But you want to lecture everyone else about how to do them correctly (according to you)? What a waste of time.

Re: Leave Me Behind

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Post by josephg » Tue, May 26, 2026, 2:46 AM UTC

ori_b wrote: post #297

satvikpendem wrote: post #278

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Like Lego, assembly can be fun too, and I don't have to manufacture the individual bricks from scratch just to enjoy assembling them together. But no one doesn't call that building something, similar to your experience.

And sometimes buying a statue can be fun, but nobody calls it building a statue.

Help me out with the metaphor here. Do you think designing and architecting some software, then getting an LLM to write a lot of the code, is the same as buying a computer program from a store?

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Post by josephg » Tue, May 26, 2026, 2:53 AM UTC

ori_b wrote: post #93

josephg wrote: post #37

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Really? I'm more motivated than ever to make stuff at the moment. I have a long list of projects I've always wanted to make, but I never had time. The barrier is so low now. For example, I want to make: - A mini OS on top of SeL4 - A UI framework based on SolidJS, for native apps, in rust. - My own photo manager (which can do backups & sync across all my devices). And a gallery to share photos with friends - A local…

And you're actually excited by the prospect of buying them from Anthropic instead of making them?

Suppose you're the senior engineer on a project. You design the UI of the software. Then design how you want the software to work internally. Then write the core data structures. And then guide a bunch of junior engineers to write the code, review their work.

Is that the same as buying a computer program from anthropic?

I have a friend who's an architect. Sometimes we're in the city and he says "Oh see that building? Its one of mine." He didn't lay the concrete, or do the wiring or anything. Should he not be proud, because a construction company built each floor? Does it not count? Does his contribution not matter?