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College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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For what it's worth, this might not be a recent phenomenon only. My dad has been saying for decades that the speaker at my mom's college graduation (Paul Tsongas, if I'm remembering correctly) was incredibly depressing and basically just said "the world sucks out there, good luck going into it".

Mine was "The world sucks. We need brilliant people like you to save it. Please help."

In nyc, elder rats have been known to encourage younger rats to take the first bite, to determine if the food is poisoned

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Uh huh. Or just noting Cash Rules Everything Around Me. Which I doubt was a fact lost on the complaintant - which if the crime occurred, might indeed make the circumstances worse eh? Which, notably, none of what you are saying even addresses eh? Do you think Trump has gotten where he is because these things are not happening? None of this excuses anything.

> Do you think Trump has gotten where he is because these things are not happening? I don't even understand what you're trying to claim here. As best I can figure out, it sounds like you're saying that Trump made his money from suing people for sexual assault, but that's so absurd I can't even imagine someone trying to claim that as a troll. Even ignoring that, your argument seems to be "people in general are motivat…

Wow, you are indeed quite confused.

People with a lot of money often get away with things for several reasons, including;

1) people sometimes attack/slander/harass others for arbitrary reasons hoping to get some of it (even if they never have to actually pay them!)

2) ability to hire people to professionally defend them (lawyers, PR people, etc.)

3) their often extensive networks among people in power (often in groups #1 and #2!), which can result in decisions going ‘their way’ even without having to take explicit action - but if they want, allowing them to take explicit action.

4) their ability to absorb extensive financial penalties without actual harm to their style of living, allowing them to be more risk tolerant.

5) they often own things (like newspapers, media outlets, companies), which can make most peoples lives hard if power is applied.

This means most people are hesitant to cross them, as normal folks can likely be crushed. This includes many people like police, public prosecutors, journalists, civil servants, etc. It’s ‘leverage’, and ‘power’.

So for most people, especially if they keep getting what they need, it’s not worth rocking the boat. You’re more likely to just get steamrolled/destroyed if you try. some people will even actively encourage it, as long as it seems like it will pay out. most people caught in this situation will ‘grin and bear it’, hoping to get out ‘alive’ and avoid further contact.

If you’re already being pushed out/fired, you’re already more in the direction of being ‘destroyed’, so the additional consequences of trying to fight are less. And at that point, it’s clear it won’t pay out as much going the other direction.

It’s sex realpolitik + money - and I’m sure anyone in that circle is quite familiar with it. Both the complaintant, and the defendant. Why make a scene if it’s in your financial/safety interest not too, after all? Especially if you’ll likely lose.

If you have not as much to lose, why not make a scene?

If you are a victim of an actual crime or not is a lot less tangential to this calculus than anyone wants to think about, but it’s true.

Notably, a LOT of people will also retroactively cast consensual behavior into non-consensual later, if it is also in their financial or social interest, which further muddies the waters.

After all, were you there when this event potentially happened? Was it rape? Sexual harassment? Was it a half sprung trap?

Good luck knowing for sure if you weren’t, or sometimes even if you were!

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GenAI is the first technology that I've ever seen that is actively rejected by young adults and fervently pushed by people over 55. It seems Eric Schmids of the world think they (in their 70s) have more say about the future of these students than the students themselves. That is very unlikely.

Schmidt's speech to students goes:

> The future does not simply arrive. It gets built in laboratories, in dormitories, in startups, in classrooms, in legislators, and the people building it will be you and people like you.

This prompts you to say:

> It seems Eric Schmids of the world think they (in their 70s) have more say about the future of these students than the students themselves. That is very unlikely.

This doesn't seem like an accurate read on what the Eric Schmidts of the world think.

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"Not every second has to dedicated to "problems"." I was a lot quicker to agree with this sentiment in prior decades where we had notionally fewer of them, the big ones seemed better understood, and the folks managing the levers of power at least managed the appearance of competence.

I am a teen, so I want you to consider yourself in the shoes of us youngsters. you grind for 4 years, you might have student debt or a substantial loss of family income as it was invested in your education (I am assuming 30k$) Now the whole purpose of it was to educate you, now some people cheated their way through with AI or whatever in the education system. So the whole thing ends up going to the job market and wel…

"The only thing that you can do to show disagreement is to boo,"

thats only if you ban water bottles at such speeches.

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"Not every second has to dedicated to "problems"." I was a lot quicker to agree with this sentiment in prior decades where we had notionally fewer of them, the big ones seemed better understood, and the folks managing the levers of power at least managed the appearance of competence.

I am a teen, so I want you to consider yourself in the shoes of us youngsters. you grind for 4 years, you might have student debt or a substantial loss of family income as it was invested in your education (I am assuming 30k$) Now the whole purpose of it was to educate you, now some people cheated their way through with AI or whatever in the education system. So the whole thing ends up going to the job market and wel…

I just graduated, my friends and I have realized that these older generations are just ladder pullers: they hate us. I’ve watched my classmates politics and outlook become more extreme over time. I don’t think I have any respect for older generations anymore, I was never this jaded before, but my classmates say more extreme stuff.

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The most jarring thing for me is that artists tend to be the most "communally oriented, socially forward" group of people. I've definitely spent my fair time around them. As soon as tools came about that socialized their skill, opened it to everyone, they immediately and violently opposed it. Which is totally understandable, except when your core ideology you have been pushing for your whole life is to socialize ever…

Being community oriented is easy when it basically means recruiting new customers (ie listeners). And though some of those become competitors (ie learn to play an instrument) the process is long and slow and arduous and so very few actually follow through. But anybody can buy a Suno subscription in no time at all.

Some say that the only "real" string music comes from a Stradivarius, because the Chinese violins have no master craftsmanship with centuries of legacy behind them.

I'd say gatekeeping "real" behind faux barriers is regressive, but a lot of "progressives" seem to disagree...

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For folks that didn't read the article, it seems he was talking about music production.

that must be a good message: - you all like music enough to go to a four year program and spend lots of money to study it. - you all probably have been creating music since you were a child and really love it. - well.... - people don't actually like music like you, and just want content; non-stop content. - we now have a magic button that can make content by ripping off every previous artist we've trained our models…

Music was already worthless. Here's Deadmau5 giving advice to aspiring producers in 2012:

> You need to make a world. So you have a rollercoaster in your backyard. And it’ll be the hot thing in the neighborhood for about a week. But once everyone’s had a go… they’ll lose interest, go home n play Sega instead. What you need then, is a fuckin’ theme park… and you AND your music are the theme. People come into your theme park…..check out all this shit… buncha rides, no 2 the same, some merch here and there, special events, dolphins through hoops and all that whack shit. You want people to come to your theme park and feel like they’re a part of this world of yours.

Franz Lizst was a rockstar in 1840 because he could write and play the piano really well. But culture and technology has progressed.

A popstar today can usually sing, dance, write, produce, act. They're business people with a marketing vision and gimmicks to go with it. Polymath performers, creators, and multi-instrumentalists. Technology marches forward and the next generation of artists will be those who adapt the tools available.

We're certainly losing something culturally. Just like this guy[1], who spent 1906 lamenting that the mechanical music machine (phonograph) will ruin music, was somewhat right in his prediction that fewer and fewer people would learn instruments and sing well.

"Then what of the national throat? Will it not weaken? ... When a mother can turn on the phonograph with the same ease that she applies to the electric light, will she croon her baby to slumber with sweet lullabys, or will the infant be put to sleep by machinery? Children are naturally imitative, and if, in their infancy, they hear only phonographs, will they not sing, if they sing at all, in imitation and finally become simply human phonographs -- without soul or expression?"

When I was a really young kid, I used to hum to myself with a buzzing sound to try and copy the early EDM sounds I grew up listening to. I went on to do electronic music production myself. (And that love of electronic music was the fuel that kept me interested in learning classical piano, jazz, music history and more, and why I still have a piano next to my desk now).

Personally, I'm excited to see what the next generation art and artists end up looking like.

[1] https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/21m-380-music-and-technology-con...

Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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By rejecting AI, these students have a particularly bad future ahead. Rejecting reality doesn't make reality bend to you. Due to this rejection, they risk having few jobs, then no jobs. The Schmidts of the world have negative sympathy for such deniers.

They aren't rejecting it at all. They are expressing their opinion on it which is hugely negative. Why? Because it's a useful technology, but so far has succeeded in taking jobs away, poisoning minds, art, and politics, hoovering up all the capital, and getting shoved into every possible thing. The billionaires tell us over and over, "Get on board or you'll starve!" and I am certain they will be stunned when they mee…

It’s a real feeling… lot of hatred for older gens now …

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They aren't rejecting it at all. They are expressing their opinion on it which is hugely negative. Why? Because it's a useful technology, but so far has succeeded in taking jobs away, poisoning minds, art, and politics, hoovering up all the capital, and getting shoved into every possible thing. The billionaires tell us over and over, "Get on board or you'll starve!" and I am certain they will be stunned when they mee…

It’s a real feeling… lot of hatred for older gens now …

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are you proud of being old and not being able to emphasize with the younger generations? I feel like I see this a lot. oh I'm so old bla bla bla I don't get this oh I have no idea why xyz... if you're young right now, your future seems to be certainly fucked. do you think the youth is going to be all upstraight and say "take the bull by its horns!" as they give up any hope of owning a house or having a family? but I…

These older dudes are just ladder pullers, they’re always talking down to us. We don’t care anymore. They're shocked by our behavior? They should take their own advice: accept reality, deal with it, this is the future.
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