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Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by palmotea »

none2585 wrote: post #277
Forgeties79 wrote: post #141

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Parents are expected to do more than you can imagine and everyone has an opinion on how they’re supposed to do it, especially in the US. You’re a terrible parent if you can’t keep a 5 year old from ever alerting somebody to their presence, but you’re also a terrible parent if you give them an iPad for a few minutes so they don’t bother people. This whole thing where parents are expected to do it all themselves is act…

Why should I be responsible for raising someone else's children or give a shit if they see porn? Who cares. Sounds like you made a decision you regret and expect everyone else to bend their life around you. It is selfish to assume others will take care of your shitty kids.

> It is selfish to assume others will take care of your shitty kids.

FYI: your seeming inability to muster even a tiny bit of empathy is pretty strong evidence you're in no position to call anyone selfish.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by zkmon »

aboardRat4 wrote: post #186
zkmon wrote: post #171

USA entities tend to think that terms like "privacy", "security" have same meanings and assumptions across the globe, and that the USA laws are universal. Maybe they also think that entire world is just as dumb or dumber than USA. For a start, you should consider this fact: Privacy for a bad actor goes directly against the security for citizens and good actors. So when you talk about privacy you are making an assumpt…

If you don't like privacy, publish your bank card number and cvv in response to this message.

You misunderstood. When I say privacy I was referring to hiding things from authorities, not from other citizens. Every power that authorities are entrusted with, is direct result forfeiting of privacy or freedom by citizens. That's the definition of a nation.

You can have 100% privacy and freedom if you are stateless. But when you wish for the benefits of being a citizen, it comes at the cost of privacy and freedom.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by notrealyme123 »

kavok wrote: post #192
phatfish wrote: post #175

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It's not being reductive at all. I'm certain parent commentor doesn't have kids so they don't care. If someone was using the street outside their house to deal drugs and causing problems they would be happy for the police to "regulate" that activity. It's just selfishness. "I want some privacy utopia on the internet (which can no longer exist, the internet isn't the place of the 90s and early 00s), so your kids can b…

The example you give doesn’t really track. If a drug dealer is outside the entrance of your home it’s completely unavoidable. A kid looking at adult material online? Entirely within the control of the parents. We already have filtering and monitoring software. I know several parents that limit screen time, require screen usage be restricted to public areas of the home, have parental controls and filtering operating e…

The drug dealer is a potential very bad decision in the making. And a potentially very interesting one for a young person.

The internet can also contain potentially very bad decisions.

I don't want to argue to block the internet, but it is just not black and white.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by whateverboat »

tardedmeme wrote: post #299
mort96 wrote: post #298

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You're right, some people are misguided and think age verification can be done in a way that isn't the death of privacy and anonymity online.

Don't we all hate social media? From that standpoint, anything that makes it hard to use or come with direct negative consequences is good.

Age verification for social media looks like it is different from age verification for internet. But it really is not.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by protocolture »

danw1979 wrote: post #54
mjmas wrote: post #36

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The very same office of the eSafety commissioner that is enforcing age verification for social media. https://www.esafety.gov.au/newsroom/blogs/social-media-minim...

Yes. Isn’t effective regulation of dangerous products wonderful.

Effective in that its easily bypassed, and dangerous insofar as the government appears to be happy for the use to continue as long as kids use their dogs face to bypass it.

Of course, when you point this out they step into "Oh but we knew it wouldn't work immediately" which is so silly its staggering.

But of course, the technology has been applied immediately to moral panic stuff like porn also.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by protocolture »

miki123211 wrote: post #110
juleiie wrote: post #79

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1984 is extremely naive. It assumes that people will fight for their freedom and insane measures will be needed to keep them in check. So foolishly optimistic… people can’t wait to give freedom away if only they get a stable job and housing in exchange. Or if it hits these other guys they don’t like at the moment. It’s all much, much less dramatic than Orwell. It is an ordinary, everyday erosion of your rights until…

Which is why I like "Brave new World" a lot more. It actually asks hard questions and explores the tradeoff of an "utopian dystopia." In contrast to the society Orwell describes, where the government is cartoonishly evil, the one of "Brave New World" genuinely cares for the happiness of its subjects, and most of its subjects are genuinely happy, even if we disagree with the methods that it uses. This is by design; I…

>and most of its subjects are genuinely happy, even if we disagree with the methods that it uses.

This is basically describing 1984s proles?

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by usr1106 »

HDBaseT wrote: post #284
usr1106 wrote: post #38

User to Mozilla: Cannot read your statement with a variant of your own browser because you have it "protected" by an internet gatekeeper.

Are you referring to Cloudflare? I am using a fork of Firefox and it works perfectly fine.

Yes, Cloudflare. It says: Your browser is not supported. Use another browser or upgrade. I would upgrade if the vendor of this weaker embedded device provided something...

I know Cloudflare works fine on Firefox desktops and probably also on Android.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by don_quiquong »

protocolture wrote: post #290
HDBaseT wrote: post #280

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>The eSafety office is actually perfectly reasonable If it was reasonable it would have been taken to an election, and not rushed in as a measure to scrub the internet of the chrstchurch massacre.

Eh, I'm no big fan of the eSafety Office but if it was taken to an election there'd either be vague general support or just a lack of interest - no big opposition outside maybe The Greens and civil/digital rights groups.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by mort96 »

tardedmeme wrote: post #299
mort96 wrote: post #298

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You're right, some people are misguided and think age verification can be done in a way that isn't the death of privacy and anonymity online.

Don't we all hate social media? From that standpoint, anything that makes it hard to use or come with direct negative consequences is good.

What do you mean by "social media"? We all hate Facebook, but do we all hate Hacker News? Mastodon? A Discord or IRC community for an online game?

I'm all for age restrictions for certain kinds of social media, but age verification is a system of surveillance and the death of online privacy.

Re: Mozilla to UK regulators: VPNs are essential privacy and security tools

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Post by verisimi »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #225
verisimi wrote: post #160

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Is your child my child? Should I involve myself in how you choose to bring up the child, if you espouse ideas I disagree with?

It depends on the harm that you witness. Your question does imply your awareness that parents are not/may not be intellectually (or even morally) competent . In no Western society that I can name are parents omnipotent owners of their children. Parents may even lose custody of their children. If you know that parents are doing physical harm to children, you have a social obligation to try to do something for those ch…

No one is an omnipotent owner of anyone, not even the community, not even the government.

If you strip away conventions bound in law, governance the idea of community, and go to basics: if I see something going on that troubles me, I should take whatever action I think is appropriate. No 'community', no man made laws required.

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