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Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by pjc50 »

dangus wrote: post #299
holoduke wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't have still highest sales on model 3s?:

Tesla is now out of the top 10 list for EV sales in China as a brand. The Model 3 is not one of the top 5 selling EVs in Europe. Everything in the top 3 has a hatch. Sedans are more popular in the American market but they’re also a dying segment compared to SUVs, while Europe always preferred vehicles with hatchbacks for space efficiency and practicality. Volkswagen Group EVs outsell Tesla in Europe. The Skoda Elroq…

Europe now has lots of fairly-local EV options: VW (inc Cupra and Skoda), Renault, even Stellantis. Despite their poor rep they make a lot of cars: Vauxhall/Opel, Fiat etc.

UK now has a significant Chinese presence: Omoda, Jaecoo (Chery), and especially BYD.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by theultdev »

thelastgallon wrote: post #262
t1234s wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regular solar panels work well but are an eyesore on a nice home.

When it comes to eyesores, there is nothing worse than garage door(s). The front of the house is mostly a massive ugly garage door. I don't see people ever not having a garage because its an eyesore and it is right in front of you, can't avoid looking at it. Roof stays out of sight unless you want to look at the roof. Americans come up will all kinds of ridiculous reasons for not using clean energy. 1) Nuclear is dan…

Hey cool this is like those myspace surveys. Let me participate.

1. I support nuclear, really stupid not to use anything else. Blame politicians and the hippies.

2. Yeah wind imo is useless, and it's more than 2 dozen. Quite high, I don't think comparing kills to the top predator is a win. Also windmills are in raptor's paths, generally cats don't eat raptors. Noisy and ugly too.

3. Solar is nice, will use it as aux, but panels and batteries don't come close to a propane generator. Different use-cases.

4. I own a cybertruck and a trailboss, but it's Texas, can't really speak to cold weather ev experiences.

5. Owning an EV I know how they work, anxiety no issue, just hop free SCs and enjoy the ride.

Bonus: Garage doors can look stupid if it's the entire front of the house, like those mcmansions, but can be subtle with a long ranch house for example.

Solar panels always look awful on a roof.

Re: Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by FrojoS »

thelastgallon wrote: post #273

Solar panels have become cheap as dirt and the balance of system is majority of the cost. Installing these massive panels on roof requires a lot more skilled labor and time. Its time to incorporate solar into more areas of the building, build fences with vertical panels, mount them on walls, solar car canopy in front of the garage, optimize for fast installation with ease of installation as well as repair. We should…

25 years roof lifetime might be right for cheap asphalt shingles that are popular in the US. Concrete and clay tiles, which are common in e.g. Germany, will last 50y and 100y respectively.

https://pitchroofing.com/roofing/the-best-time-to-get-a-roof...

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Post by IshKebab »

toddmorey wrote: post #283
thelastgallon wrote: post #273

Solar panels have become cheap as dirt and the balance of system is majority of the cost. Installing these massive panels on roof requires a lot more skilled labor and time. Its time to incorporate solar into more areas of the building, build fences with vertical panels, mount them on walls, solar car canopy in front of the garage, optimize for fast installation with ease of installation as well as repair. We should…

Have always said community solar programs are the way to do residential solar. In those programs, you pay for and own off-site solar panels, then the energy they produce is credited to your electric bill. They end up installed at commercial locations ideal for solar: often on covered parking, in fields, or on industrial roofs. Easier to repair, they can do larger panels, no issues with your roof line or roof conditio…

That sounds a bit pointless to me. The benefit of putting solar on your house is that your house uses electricity, and transmitting electricity is not actually free.

If you just care about the overall transition to solar (which you should!) then you can pay for green tariffs and invest in existing solar energy companies or ETFs.

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Post by Hendrikto »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #280
1123581321 wrote: post #167

My thoughts are generally in line with the conclusion. The growth in the rooftop solar market has come from right-sized installations that can be put up in a day or two by a small crew. Minimizing crew and paperwork costs is important when quoting solar competitively; plus it reduces the complexity of operations at headquarters. Cheaper installations generally win, especially when the homeowner receives a credit on t…

The biggest thing that could be done to reduce costs at this point is to make the systems sufficiently self contained (electrically) that the utility is comfortable taking just plugging them in. Cut the licensed electricians and the municipalities out. Make it a purely utility thing. For small (i.e. residential) installation these parties taking their pounds of flesh represents a double digit percentage of system cos…

You can do that in Germany for up to 2kW panels and 800W inverters. You can just buy them off the shelf and plug them in yourself, with no electrician or permit required.

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Post by IshKebab »

grosswait wrote: post #289
youngtaff wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never understood why so many houses in the US have felt shingles rather than a longer lasting alternative Tiles on my house are at least 150yrs old

Economics. No one lives 150 years, so why pay for someone else’s roof when you’ll be making payments for so long.

Someone else suggested that you have to replace your roofs every 25 years though. People definitely live for 25 years!!

Also even if you personally don't live that long, it does affect the value. For example a 99 year lease on a property is considerably less valuable than a 999 year lease, even though very few people live more than 99 years.

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Post by NicuCalcea »

theultdev wrote: post #302
thelastgallon wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to eyesores, there is nothing worse than garage door(s). The front of the house is mostly a massive ugly garage door. I don't see people ever not having a garage because its an eyesore and it is right in front of you, can't avoid looking at it. Roof stays out of sight unless you want to look at the roof. Americans come up will all kinds of ridiculous reasons for not using clean energy. 1) Nuclear is dan…

Hey cool this is like those myspace surveys. Let me participate. 1. I support nuclear, really stupid not to use anything else. Blame politicians and the hippies. 2. Yeah wind imo is useless, and it's more than 2 dozen. Quite high, I don't think comparing kills to the top predator is a win. Also windmills are in raptor's paths, generally cats don't eat raptors. Noisy and ugly too. 3. Solar is nice, will use it as aux,…

Solar panels may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they're fine, you get used to them. I think windmills look cool as shit. But then I think cybertrucks are one of the ugliest things created by man, so I guess the point is we each have our own taste.

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Post by ChoGGi »

IshKebab wrote: post #304
toddmorey wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have always said community solar programs are the way to do residential solar. In those programs, you pay for and own off-site solar panels, then the energy they produce is credited to your electric bill. They end up installed at commercial locations ideal for solar: often on covered parking, in fields, or on industrial roofs. Easier to repair, they can do larger panels, no issues with your roof line or roof conditio…

That sounds a bit pointless to me. The benefit of putting solar on your house is that your house uses electricity, and transmitting electricity is not actually free. If you just care about the overall transition to solar (which you should!) then you can pay for green tariffs and invest in existing solar energy companies or ETFs.

The panels on my roof go straight to the energy company anyways. You need to add batteries to use it yourself.

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Post by TitaRusell »

Gigachad wrote: post #220
1123581321 wrote: post #167

My thoughts are generally in line with the conclusion. The growth in the rooftop solar market has come from right-sized installations that can be put up in a day or two by a small crew. Minimizing crew and paperwork costs is important when quoting solar competitively; plus it reduces the complexity of operations at headquarters. Cheaper installations generally win, especially when the homeowner receives a credit on t…

In Australia solar panels are so ubiquitous I don't think you'd even notice them. They just blend in as much as any other functional part of a house.

When things get so widespread people stop crying about aesthetics.

Railways, highways, wind turbines- they become part of the landscape.

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Post by ChoGGi »

theultdev wrote: post #302
thelastgallon wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to eyesores, there is nothing worse than garage door(s). The front of the house is mostly a massive ugly garage door. I don't see people ever not having a garage because its an eyesore and it is right in front of you, can't avoid looking at it. Roof stays out of sight unless you want to look at the roof. Americans come up will all kinds of ridiculous reasons for not using clean energy. 1) Nuclear is dan…

Hey cool this is like those myspace surveys. Let me participate. 1. I support nuclear, really stupid not to use anything else. Blame politicians and the hippies. 2. Yeah wind imo is useless, and it's more than 2 dozen. Quite high, I don't think comparing kills to the top predator is a win. Also windmills are in raptor's paths, generally cats don't eat raptors. Noisy and ugly too. 3. Solar is nice, will use it as aux,…

Before you get down voted to oblivion:

> 4. I own a cybertruck

Mind if I ask why?

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