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Leaving GitHub for Forgejo
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Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo
#302GitHub? Forgejo bout it!
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I completely share your sentiment about feeling irked about open source code being used to train commercial AI models. However, I think the battle is already lost - the nature of copyright and open source code philosophy (currently) means that there isn't any real way of preventing your code being used to train AI. Look at the legal precedents being set in courts where many of the BigTechs have actually pirated copyr…
> However, I think the battle is already lost - the nature of copyright and open source code philosophy (currently) means that there isn't any real way of preventing your code being used to train AI. Laws should make it a double-edged sword, make distillation explicitly legal. Not much else they can do.
Distillation is totally legal and I highly encourage it
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Thank you for taking the time to commen. It's great to see someone who shares a similar mindset. Have a wonderful day, and I'll make sure to read the article you linked.
Audrey-Balaji-Glen-Vitalik blog about how to liberate society from the hamster wheel of centralisation-decentralisation. (Moksha from samsara? ) https://archive.ph/2024.08.23-032320/https://vitalik.eth.lim... It doesn't necessarily mean we should immediately suspect them of raising a flag for its own sake. https://archive.ph/2024.08.23-032320/https://vitalik.eth.lim... Epstein files remind me of the first line from《삼…
I always feel this, but your writing is quite challenging—not because of the readability, but because the content itself is deeply complex for me to grasp.
I spent about two hours reading your writings. Your arguments, such as those regarding the Taiwanese digital democracy movement and how to break the endless cycle of centralization and decentralization, are quite profound. If I were to summarize what you are trying to tell me, it seems to boil down to: "Your previous point was too generalized, and the attempt itself [at building alternatives] should not be dismissed."
Also, your Romance of the Three Kingdoms analogy confirms we are definitely both East Asians: "The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide."
Overall, if I have understood your work correctly, your core message is this: while historical attempts at universalism or a 'new order' may eventually turn into new centralized powers, we shouldn't look at them only through that cynical lens. Instead, we must simply remain constantly vigilant.
I hope I understood you correctly.
Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo
#305I am very happy to discover this.
Given the trending-to-zero software writing cost, a local self-contained source code management tool would be natural for delivering software, i.e., software becomes an agent with specialized code as its harness (in addition to its default ones) source control would be one default tool for the agentic software to manage its own evolution.
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What on earth is the social component of GitHub? I assume I’m missing what’s useful to people here as it keeps getting brought up, but what is it? Is it the stars on a repo? Are people doing something else big with all of this?
Issue tracker, code reviews
Is that what people mean? Just the multi user side of it?
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It's software, which can be infinitely and freely copied, people are going to copy it, and they should, because not everyone should write their own service from scratch (on top of an scm they wrote from scratch (on top of a language and operating system they wrote from scratch too)).
I never suggested building everything from scratch. However, Forgejo is ultimately just a new dependency. Does abandoning GitHub Actions for Forgejo Actions eliminate lock-in? No, it’s merely a shift in dependency. If the Forgejo core team announces tomorrow that their 'philosophy has changed' and overhauls the architecture, tens of thousands of 'independent' home servers will grumble, but they'll inevitably run git…
I am sorry. I should not have said that. Your reply was very generous. I was a jerk for no reason. No one should ever act that way here or anywhere.
People may converge on a new node like forgejo, so from that point of view things are not decentralizing, the dependency graph stays roughly the same shape, but it’s a step in the right direction. It’s marginally better than github hosting everything.
That’s what I should have said originally instead of being an asshole.
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The vast majority of that doesn’t require anything like GitHub though, that’s just having multiple users. At a push you could have the same thing massively more spread out using GitHub purely as auth.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
Totally different thing, and if you don’t want to engage don’t, this is simply rude.
Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo
#309Everyone seems to be leaving GitHub, and forgetting the entire spirit of what git is in my eyes. Git was always meant to be decentralized, the problem here is that all the tooling around git was centralized to GitHub because it was a cleaner experience, they scaled nicely, and were properly maintained. I would prefer to still see mirrors on GitHub that are auto-synched because I've seen projects for years either self…
Not everybody uses git because they're infatuated with "the spirit of git". Only a tiny minority have ever even used it with the patches-by-email model it's intended for, and I would guess the vast majority of the rest have no interest in learning. People use git basically because it's what github uses, or slightly more generously because it works well when paired with a centralized host like github. The model of dev…
Although that only requires a centralised host per repo.
Re: Leaving GitHub for Forgejo
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never suggested building everything from scratch. However, Forgejo is ultimately just a new dependency. Does abandoning GitHub Actions for Forgejo Actions eliminate lock-in? No, it’s merely a shift in dependency. If the Forgejo core team announces tomorrow that their 'philosophy has changed' and overhauls the architecture, tens of thousands of 'independent' home servers will grumble, but they'll inevitably run git…
I am sorry. I should not have said that. Your reply was very generous. I was a jerk for no reason. No one should ever act that way here or anywhere. People may converge on a new node like forgejo, so from that point of view things are not decentralizing, the dependency graph stays roughly the same shape, but it’s a step in the right direction. It’s marginally better than github hosting everything. That’s what I shoul…
metoo,I admit I was a bit harsh earlier as well. You make a fair point. Ultimately, everyone has the freedom to leave if they choose to.
Have a nice day.