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Re: Programming Still Sucks

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Post by larodi »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #243
larodi wrote: post #199

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How come is anyone "entitled" to a decent living? I don't think this holds evolutionary, nor from historical perspective. It is commendable for a person to want to think that everyone deserves it, but I don't see it follow from anything or manifest in general in a fair way. There are plenty of examples that people are very likely going to be deprived of even whatever they deserved by means of struggling to get it.

> I don't think this holds evolutionary Sure it does. Our species is social, meaning we form societies for evolutionary success. Both of us being members of that society, it is in my interest to see your child survive. It is a tragedy to think your child may not survive because human greed prevents them from accessing resources we have in abundance. The opposite perspective is anti-social in a literal way: the greedy…

Sorry, but history saw so little (as a fraction) of people that were actually getting fair living that others guaranteed for them. Even when it is about living in decent conditions provided by the community if you want.

Even in a tribe, there’s a lotta suffering and very little remorse for it.

We may say we chase a society that would see everyone understand the principle of ‘your child should also get a decent life’, but what we see now, across nearly all societies is really the opposite. And it phrases like this - we don’t care if your children live or die for as long as our children get better chances.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

monkeyballs wrote: post #57

> The truth is, working in tech always sucked, and never really was what they thought it was. This is just not true. Working in tech was awesome for me for at least thirteen years from 1988 - 2000. Probably well beyond, actually. The main reason it began to suck was due to business -- corporate acquisitions and mergers -- not tech. Working for a good company, solving fun problems, making meaningful software, and havi…

I had a Rip Van Winkle experience.

1983-1990, I had a few jobs, with varying levels of agita, but I always loved the tech aspect.

In 1990, I got a job at a top-shelf Japanese technology corporation, and stayed there for almost 27 years. I worked as a peer, with some of the top engineers and scientists in the world. My business card opened a lot of doors. There were lots of problems, too (it wasn’t Disneyland, by any means), but I was proud to work there, and resisted calls to leave.

In 2017, I was finally made redundant (long story, but it was expected, and I was prepared).

When I emerged into the new tech industry, it really sucked. There was a lot of money, sloshing around, but also, an awful culture. I was horrified.

Fortunately, I had the means to take my toys and go home.

I feel awful for the folks that never got to experience The Joy of Tech.

It’s a great article. Thanks, Steven!

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Post by jazzyjackson »

stevenlangbroek wrote: post #56

oh shit haha hey y'all. i'm blown away. also my site is blown away, y'all killed my cloudflare account. maybe go to your room and think about what you did.

is your shit not static? I've been using html files hosted in R2 buckets on the free tier, I think you get like a million reads a month for free, HN isn't that big is she?

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Post by jazzyjackson »

blackjack_ wrote: post #93
bluegatty wrote: post #61

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Great. The system does what it does. It's not 'destroying society'. Not remotely in, any sense. Many people seem to like Facebook. It's not really not causing harm, they are a minor nuisance at worst ... that you can avoid by ... not using it. Open AI makes AI that you can use to do whatever. That's mostly it.

Facebook literally heavily contributed or at minimum enabled and amplified at least one genocide (2017 Myanmar). That is the total opposite of "really not causing harm".

Plus they implemented "Organic Reach" where the bands I followed posted the flyers to their shows and Facebook only distributed the posts to ~10% of users subscribed to the band, so over and over again I would see a flyer for a show that happened 2 days ago. Deleterious to culture at large.

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Post by moravak1984 »

stevenlangbroek wrote: post #56

oh shit haha hey y'all. i'm blown away. also my site is blown away, y'all killed my cloudflare account. maybe go to your room and think about what you did.

oh, YOU go to your room and think about what YOU did.

You can't (accurately, beautifully and incisively) show us the real culpable in a very engaging way without repercussions.

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Post by nickpp »

kiba wrote: post #253
nickpp wrote: post #144

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> This is ignoring the people who capture the rent. So my grandma shouldn't have been be deliriously happy with the new washing machine that saved her hands from bleeding weekly because the evil capitalist laundromat owners charged a few quarters per load?!

It's not really the laundromat capitalist, but the landowner the capitalist paying rent to.

It still doesn't bother me as a consumer in the slightest. On the contrary, I am happy that laundromat exists in the first place.

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Post by classified »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #69
yoyohello13 wrote: post #44

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He really put in to words what I’ve been feeling lately. I love programming and I’m quite good at it, but this industry is a cesspit. I’ve already decided to go back to school to get one of those ‘real’ jobs. I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society.

>> I’m tired of working in an industry hell bent on the destruction of society. People will argue this point. However, when I look at all the things that tech has done thinking it was going to improve society; when in fact, it did the exact opposite is hard to argue. AI is just another item on a very long list of dystopian markers that writers/musicians have warned us about for years. The scary part now is people den…

> The scary part now is people denying its happening right in front of them.

Even scarier are the UIs for whom it's not happening fast enough and who cheer it on. Most of them don't realize they are digging their own graves if the promises they believe in become true. And if they don't become true, there will be a rude awakening for a great many people and bankruptcy for many companies.

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