Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…
Can you not accuse people of cheating unless you have proof?
Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
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Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
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The majority of people in the world cannot complete a half marathon, let alone under two hours. I was pleased to train enough that I managed under three. You're doing great!
A majority of people won't run 1 km without needing a rest afterwards. There were recent tests (in France I think) in schools where 50% or something could not run 1 km (sorry I don't have the details on mobile). These are children who have infinity energy (source: parent). A typical adult won't make it to 1km (source: going back to sport and dying on a 2.5 km run)
I'm... dubious of this. At 39 I started running, for the first time in my life, ran 5km, didn't actually die, and went from there. I'd think most adults could manage 1km, anyway.
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
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Yes, that was the claim but it was never really backed by evidence. Vibram settled a lawsuit over false claims that their minimalist shoes reduced the risk of injuries. (I still like those shoes myself and use them on some slow recovery runs.) https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27335251
When Vibrams were first popular, I took to training with them on my runs. People told me to "take it easy" or you might get injured. I thought what's the worst that can happen? Well let me tell you. About a month into wearing them, I was doing a hard run and the trail had a section of concrete. My foot felt a sudden sharp pain and "snap!" I broke my 3rd metatarsal bone in my foot. Took a month or so to heal, and I de…
You have to take it easy.
Build low impact volume (walking and hiking), and then scale it (jogging then running), over time emphasizing recovery. Shoe adapted gaits are expecting materials to handle forces that simply aren’t there ‘barefoot’ (minimalist).
Flip side: adapt like you understand the intense forces generated in running and that the baseline level of chronic dysfunction is high, and proper foot function can help correct movement form and posture issues, both of which are major drivers of chronic pain.
Big thick shoes allow us to run like assholes. Shin splints, knee problems, chronic injuries, overuse injuries… Great for competition(!), great for sacrificing health to get speed (faster!). Unquestionably better for racing. But for people interested in longevity, evolution did one thing, Nike/Adidas another.
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#304And the only place this appears on ESPN is if you click on "Olympics," which has nothing to do with this race. Where coverage should be: on the home page.
It’s certainly noteworthy and interesting but I could see how Running as sport isn’t popular enough for front page. Especially during NBA and NHL playoffs, NFL draft, and whatever else might be going on.
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Is there anything here a people who should be dieting could learn here? I’ve found when running, every 3-4km if I do t have sugars/gatorade my blood sugar gets so low I end up almost confused… running suburban streets is tough because I’ve got to cross the road when I’m midly delirious!
I guess it's the classic case of one not being able to outrun a bad diet. If fueling during the activity stops you from overeating afterwards and possibly allows you to exercise a bit longer it is worth it, even though it seems counter productive.
Dang… I was hoping for some cheat level wisdom :)
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#306Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
A majority of people won't run 1 km without needing a rest afterwards. There were recent tests (in France I think) in schools where 50% or something could not run 1 km (sorry I don't have the details on mobile). These are children who have infinity energy (source: parent). A typical adult won't make it to 1km (source: going back to sport and dying on a 2.5 km run)
> A typical adult won't make it to 1km (source: going back to sport and dying on a 2.5 km run) I'm... dubious of this. At 39 I started running, for the first time in my life, ran 5km, didn't actually die, and went from there. I'd think most adults could manage 1km, anyway.
I used to play volleyball a lot at the university, and then at a business league (we were horrendous, but anyway :)). Then I travelled a lot and let myself go.
So I started to commute to the office by bike, about 15 km each way, 5 days a week for two years. I had a puncture and decided to run the remaining distance (about 2 km) because I was late. After 500 m my lungs were on fire.
55 now, I restarted this year sport to do the smallest existing triathlon. I was already biking a bit and "just" have to do the swimming and running. I am at my 10th or so run of 2.5 km (I try to do it 2 times a week) and I am dying several times on the way. The fact I make it back home is religiously miraculous.
I am not an athlete, far from this. I am not the extreme obese either. I am somewhere in between, like are most of the people I know (of different ages). I do not see them running 1 km strong (let's say right above trotting)
Ah - and I did the whole battery of medical tests to make sure that I will not literally die when training. I am in a very good shape, heart wise.
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> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…
> Third, his steroid/peds program is on point and his body is responding well to it. Do you have any evidence of this?
If you watch Kelvin Kiptum break the world record at the 2023 Chicago Marathon and Eluid Kipchoge break the world record in the 2022 Berlin Marathon, you see the joy and exasperation of their achievement.
That joy was missing in the winners of the London marathon. It's not evidence, but it's an interesting data point. Another data point: Not only did the first two finishers break two hours, the third place finisher, Jacob Kiplimo, broke the world record.
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…
> Third, his steroid/peds program is on point and his body is responding well to it. Do you have any evidence of this?
Re: Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race
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Can someone explain this in more details? Like will you run out of energy, your result will suffer drastically, anything else? The reason I am asking - I hike a lot, and for shorter hikes (<35km) I don't even bother with food. Just last Saturday I did 28km hike with 550m elevation gain - last meal I had was 5pm on Friday. No breakfast. No problem. I walk at a brisk (for layman) pace, ~7±2 km/h. Am I missing something…
I'm not an expert, so do some research, but it's probably a bit of a) you've trained yourself to burn fat more (a good thing) b) you're not exercising as strenously c) yes, if you ate you'd probably "perform better". I'd recommend you to do your own research though. But to add - yes, if you don't eat you will "bonk" on a long bike ride.
If always training with high carb loads, you will bonk rather quickly going on a long ride without any compared to if you train fasted or more fat adapted.