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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by rasz »

cromka wrote: post #292
rasz wrote: post #240

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No, selling laptops to Linux users is loss of services revenue, which is currently at 25% of total Apple takes and ~40% of all profit.

I am baffled by how people commonly parrot that flawed logic. Hint: by not seeling those laptops to Linux users they're not making money at all, neither on hardware nor on services.

By selling laptops to users who will never spend on highly profitable recurring revenue stream Apple would be depleting precious Ram stock for tiny one time profit.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by mapleleaf1921 »

random_human_ wrote: post #228
eightysixfour wrote: post #94

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Earlier this year I built a new desktop and installed my normal Linux distro and the screen wouldn’t work after login. I worked on it for a day, still couldn’t get any desktop except a terminal.Tried a different distro, it booted but no matter what resolution or refresh rate, the display showed severe artifacts when scrolling. Tried to fix it for a few days, gave up. I am not a Linux novice, I have been using every m…

I have installed different Linux distros in 4-5 devices in the last year, including a laptop with an Nvidia GPU and a random NUC off Aliexpress. In all cases everything worked out of the box after a fresh installation--and as far as I remember the situation was the same ~10 years ago, when I first started using it. There are hiccups here and there, but nothing I cannot live with. I do tech support for my girlfriend'd…

I can only speak from personal experience.

But I've had multiple Lenovo laptops not work with Ubuntun or nixOS in multiple situations.

Any new yoga variants just always had trouble.

E.g. my yoga slim 7i had a keyboard issue in Ubuntu such that for the first minute, I can't use my keyboard. Had to change boot configbto use "dumb keyboard" or something

The yoga also had speaker issues in nixos as the drivers haven't been mainlined yet. It was onenof those 6 speaker (2 tweeter) setups. I had to download a random driver and chuck it in my nix config to get the subwoofers working.

I gave up after mic issues in multiple zoom calls or gmeet calls.

You can say it's all skills issue, but Mac worked first try.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by mapleleaf1921 »

rglullis wrote: post #85
mapleleaf1921 wrote: post #45

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I've run all 3 major OSes before. MacOS by far has the least bugs and kinda just works. My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. My windows days were plagued with battery issues. I feel like most Linux ricers wishs for a MacOS-like experience, except with more customisation. (Which is entirely possible now with the ricing on Mac)

> My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. This is the kind of dated argument that really makes me dismiss most of the critics. I was running xubuntu as my main desktop since 2010 at least, switched to Debian + nix + XFCE in 2022 and switched to full-on nixOS in 2024. I never had issues with audio then and had to go out of my way to "break" audio on…

I can only speak from personal experience. But I've had multiple Lenovo laptops not work with Ubuntun or nixOS in multiple situations.

Any new yoga variants just always had trouble.

E.g. my yoga slim 7i had a keyboard issue in Ubuntu such that for the first minute, I can't use my keyboard. Had to change boot configbto use "dumb keyboard" or something

The yoga also had speaker issues in nixos as the drivers haven't been mainlined yet. It was onenof those 6 speaker (2 tweeter) setups. I had to download a random driver and chuck it in my nix config to get the subwoofers working.

I gave up after mic issues in multiple zoom calls or gmeet calls.

You can say it's all skills issue, but Mac worked first try.

Not giving Linux a fair shot is not something I'd categorise myself doing given how much I riced my dell xps back in the day.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by AussieWog93 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #289
AussieWog93 wrote: post #281

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>The very first comment I replied to was insulting the victim's social skills and mental stability. Dude, the very first comment you responded to was itself a response to someone who suggested that the frankly unhinged HN "ban" was a decision that was "not taken lightly". They literally stuck a comment into the site banner suggesting that HN comments critical of Asahi or their devs was part of a Kiwi Farms targeted h…

> that the frankly unhinged HN "ban" It was not a ban or anything that could even possibly be misconstrued as one. People are talking about an overreaction, but the real overreaction is here on HN. This had literally nothing to do with the topic of Asahi Linux's progress report, but somebody intentionally dredged up a year-old subject with an outright deceptive and extremely hyperbolic framing for the sole purpose of…

> It was not a ban or anything that could even possibly be misconstrued as one.

That is correct. It was just a rant, really, and even then not even a long one.

> This is not even remotely what I said.

Can you clarify what you're trying to say, then? AFAIK nobody on HN is harassing marcan, Byuu, the Asahi devs or anyone else in that sort of vauge circle. We're making comments about how they might behave or present themselves publicly, and some of the comments are definitely negative - but there is no coordination or intent to belittle or anything of that sort. Just internet bitching.

(and I am open to counterexamples if you're happy to share - have people been emailing marcan personally to say "I'm from HN and you're a piece of shit"? I wouldn't be surprised if people on Kiwi Farms were doing some of that.)

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by throwaway27448 »

panick21_ wrote: post #182
throwaway27448 wrote: post #137

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Being harassed by neckbeards would drive anyone insane

No it actually wouldn't. As in 15+ years of Hacker News I have not seen the same so clearly it can be so horrible that it regularly leads to such strong reaction, suggesting that for most people this isn't nearly so impactful. And very few things described could actually be called harassment, mostly it was light criticism or maybe a bit trolling.

Hacker news also attracts those already driven insane. Virtually none of us can socialize normally or have healthy human values

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by hedora »

mjg59 wrote: post #296
anthk wrote: post #274

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ALSA had DMIX by default, all that before Pulseaudio. I remember Knoppix and a few more doing that.

DMIX was typically not an out of the box default, and had multiple shortcomings.

Even so, surely it would have been easier and better to just fix or replace dmix (in kernel, in the existing data path) than introduce a userspace daemon, break API compatibility, and so on.

It’s been 20 years and pulseaudio is still flaky / high latency / incomprehensible. Professional flows that care use stuff like jack.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by LoganDark »

bigyabai wrote: post #297
gigatexal wrote: post #276

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This is the delulu Linux world thinking all over again. “Just get one with no dGPU, just this chipset, just this and this escoteric thing” and you’ll be fine.

This is how macOS works, too. "Just buy this M.2 adapter and this transcode card but not that GPU" and your hardware will be supported for two major releases.

It was until Apple silicon. Now it's "Just buy a Mac, or an iPhone[0]"

[0]: https://x.com/khanhduytran0/status/1954724636727587237

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

flomo wrote: post #177
kakwa_ wrote: post #71

While I absolutely love the technical write-up from the Asahi team, and being absolutely impressed by their accomplishment, to the risk of being an overly negative contrarian, I remain a bit skeptical. I'm concerned that after all these years, it's still a separate project and not an effort sustained directly within the kernel mainline and mainstream distributions like Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora. These kinds of reverse…

What everyone is missing is any org who pays Ubuntu or RedHat for support is going to buy officially supported hardware from Lenovo, Dell, Framework or etc. Asahi is a cool project, but there's zero money in it.

as someone who has had several official asahi fedora remix updates break the boot up of a m1 mac mini, this is it. it’s just too damn risky. i’ve had it happen so frequently that i’m genuinely at a point where im considering retiring the machine for something more stable and less likely to break during an update and it’s not even like i used it for a GUI, it’s a headless machine.

i would genuinely advise anyone thinking about seriously using asahi to consider another machine for uptime and stability

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

rglullis wrote: post #85
mapleleaf1921 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've run all 3 major OSes before. MacOS by far has the least bugs and kinda just works. My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. My windows days were plagued with battery issues. I feel like most Linux ricers wishs for a MacOS-like experience, except with more customisation. (Which is entirely possible now with the ricing on Mac)

> My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. This is the kind of dated argument that really makes me dismiss most of the critics. I was running xubuntu as my main desktop since 2010 at least, switched to Debian + nix + XFCE in 2022 and switched to full-on nixOS in 2024. I never had issues with audio then and had to go out of my way to "break" audio on…

the last time i tried changing the audio sample rate for an external dac on a silver blue based immutable distro it would reset every time i rebooted so no this is not an outdated argument. linux still has serious issues with the basics

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by apatheticonion »

walterbell wrote: post #151
unfitted2545 wrote: post #131

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From an end user perspective, I think the best thing the Asahi team could have done was solely focus on getting the M1 Air/Pro working 100% before moving onto other devices. But that would probably result in burn out from the crazily talented dev team :P

Asahi focusing on M1 would also encourage secondary market sales of M1 laptops, which are already a primary competitor (see Apple marketing) to current Apple laptops. If Apple wanted to encourage Asahi Linux users to move from M1 or Qualcomm to M5/M6 Apple devices, they could improve device firmware compatibility with Linux, or contribute directly to mainline Linux.

Haha, I can't imagine Apple contributing open source driver code to mainline Linux.

My assumption is that if they ever decided they would provide support for Linux, it would be a private Mac-linux fork.

It's hard to imagine they would go the shim + blob route like nvidia as that would still require upstreaming stuff.

Honestly, they should just document their hardware so we can write our own drivers without hurclean reverse engineering efforts.

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