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Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

giva wrote: post #284
AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #266

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Is there a precedent where this happened organically and the same similarities were in place in that many legislations around the world inside of half a year?

Freon bans?

That was openly coordinated beginning with the Montreal Protocol. Those things work top to bottom with international accords in the beginning and don't suddenly pop up left and right inside of much less than a year. Getting a ban on lead in fuel took ages with Europe implementing it a decade later.

These kind of laws usually take many years to hone down just right and talk to all parties involved. Unless some lobby group presents a finished piece of work that just has to be waved through, like with the Citigroup scandal.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by OptionOfT »

programmertote wrote: post #299

These bans, in my opinion, are not the right way to go. Who says that once you are 16+, you are mature enough to interact with the social media apps? I'd argue that if one has never used social media when growing up, it'd even be more dangerous to open the floodgate (so to speak) once s/he reaches 17. Then, that person is not going to know what to avoid and how to curb addiction. Educating kids about the potential ha…

We need to draw the line somewhere. Later is better.

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Post by jrflowers »

Matl wrote: post #283
ben_w wrote: post #277

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That applies to all laws, not just all "invasive age verification laws". You may be a libertarian, I basically was when I was a teen, but since then I've seen how people act and how this makes everyone miserable.

> You may be a libertarian, I am not. I don't label myself, but if I were forced to slap a label on myself it would be something like an anarcho communist. It's not that I don't believe in regulations helping, is that I feel like this is plastering over a deeper issue, which is parents having children, but not having enough economic security to have the time and resources to devout to their parenting properly and so…

> parents having children, but not having enough economic security to have the time and resources to devout to their parenting properly

> anarcho communist

I like this post about how having a box to type an age into is unreasonable since we haven’t tried simply doing… global communism?

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by MarsIronPI »

traderj0e wrote: post #252
dfxm12 wrote: post #152

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First, tobacco and alcohol companies absolutely are regulated. Second, traditionally the age gate for cigarettes and booze is for the seller to look at your ID just to verify your age, then forget you. The process was not to establish your identity and follow you around forever, tracking and selling your behavioral data , which is a way these Internet based age gates have been implemented, and the logical conclusion…

Nowadays grocery stores do scan the ID, so maybe there is some tracking

Where? If it happened in my country I'd absolutely raise a fuss.

Re: Norway set to become latest country to ban social media for under 16s

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #194
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #180

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Parents are massively on board. And they are probably moving to a system where you need to link your device with a government issued cryptographic ID (i.e. passport) using zero knowledge proofs. With a system that ensures an identity can only be installed on one device at a time. This means a parent would have to give up all social media accounts and chat apps on their own phone, in order to give their identity to th…

The parents could also check their kids phones and ground them if they find them using social networks. The parents don't actually need their adult, childless neighbors to show their IDs to protect their kids, but it seems we're going down that exact path.

What part of zero knowledge proofs is problematic for the neighbors?

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Post by embedding-shape »

joe_mamba wrote: post #269
ben_w wrote: post #265

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> In my current EU country, there's mandatory military conscription from the age of 17. And you're telling me you're only fit for social media access one year before being fit to drive tanks and shoot guns at people? FWIW, in the UK you can learn to drive a tank one year before you're allowed to learn to drive a car. Not go into combat, that's another year, I just mean the learning to drive part. Back when I myself w…

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. What's with this double standards of you're adult enough to drive tanks and die in a war, but not adult enough to watch porn and drink alcohol? Pick a lane government regulators. Either you're and adult and should be treated as one with full rights and responsibilities, or you're not and then shouldn't be drafted and be allowed to do anything major with your life like drink, gamble, and sig…

Yeah, I don't get that either. I'd also want a binary "you're an adult" vs "you're a child" then we decide what belongs where, and the age is the same for everything. So once you're X, you get to fuck, drink, drive, die in wars, take loans, use social media, watch porn and whatever else we've added age limits to.

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Post by Sankozi »

bmacho wrote: post #154
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #137

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This is pretty radical, but what if, perhaps, the children touched grass instead of doom scrolling? Lonely children aren’t the fault of the government, they’re the fault of parents who let them scroll TikTok in their rooms all day, because actually parenting would be difficult or inconvenient.

> This is pretty radical, but what if, perhaps, the children touched grass instead of doom scrolling? A simple solution would be: - measure the harmful effects of it if there are any, and make it public - tell parents to take away the kids phones while they are at home There is absolutely no need to identify everyone on the internet, or forbid kids to talk to other kids.

- Harmful effects are known, that is why those laws are created.

- How is a parent going to take phones of their kid's friends? That is the main problem - your kid is going to be pressured to have a social media account. They even can have one on some old phone from their friend.

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Post by [deleted] »

philistine wrote: post #273
asdfman123 wrote: post #264

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We didn't need social media before it existed. If no one's on it, that sounds like the ideal situation for young kids.

Same thing with phones in school. When it's banned by a legislature, every kid's like this is actually great six months after being enacted.

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Post by gslepak »

slg wrote: post #295
gslepak wrote: post #281

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> And the car manufacturers all decided to install spyware because it made them money. That just capitalism. Yes, you are right, it must be "capitalism" at fault. The sort of capitalism where nobody asks for the product, nobody wants the product, and yet somehow the product is the only choice you have.

It's very noticeable that this is the part of my comment you responded to and not the question of who is behind all this. That is why people consider this stuff conspiracy theories. You aren't analyzing the various parties and what motivates them. You're just seeing a result you don't understand and jumping to the conclusion that it's only possible if there is some unknown shadowy group behind it all. If anyone here…

If that's the conclusion you'd like to walk away with, be my guest. ^_^

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Post by traderj0e »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #304
traderj0e wrote: post #252

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Nowadays grocery stores do scan the ID, so maybe there is some tracking

Where? If it happened in my country I'd absolutely raise a fuss.

US, in a California Safeway store for example
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