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Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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> to improve the company's models in areas where they still struggle, like choosing from dropdown menus and using keyboard shortcuts Seems like a strange approach in general. I'd have assumed you'd just have it use accessibility features to get at things, if there is no other interface.

a CLI with a man page should already be usable by an LLM.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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This is going to be a huge chilling factor for employees. You’d no longer be able to disent, or discuss anything non-work related with even the slightest expectation of privacy. Yes they could have accessed logs before but there’s a difference between directed checking after incidents and active surveillance at scale.

Yeah, if at any time Mark can ask Meta AI ‘which of my employees insulted me today’ for example, that’s wild

All enterprise messaging apps support exporting your DMs today, for legal compliance.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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I really don't understand how this is legal. I guess Facebook maybe doesn't actually have any compliance requirements in the USA, but time series screenshots of any SRE's screen are going to contain data that should not be stored by some data vacuum. I know Meta has a reputation for shitty data handling practices and US regulations are light compared to Europe, but how are they planning on securing passwords, encrypt…

All psychological experiments that loosely relates to Web became default legal when A/B tests became normalized after Google started it. It is not something that may be covered by blanket waivers. It's something that require participation under free will and independent review boards and such. For every single one of those little tests.

The cat is out of the bag, but that doesn't mean it's a non-issue.

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I really don't understand how this is legal. I guess Facebook maybe doesn't actually have any compliance requirements in the USA, but time series screenshots of any SRE's screen are going to contain data that should not be stored by some data vacuum. I know Meta has a reputation for shitty data handling practices and US regulations are light compared to Europe, but how are they planning on securing passwords, encrypt…

This data is going to get leaked in a breach. It will be used against you in a court of law. It will be used for training and (regardless of what anyone says) will be used to fire you once the AI can do your job. And when all of the above happens Meta will be absolved of any responsibility. I don't understand how it's legal either. I guess we need laws against it yesterday.

It doesn't have to get leaked. They can sell it and use it as another means to identify Internet users. Meta is pretty infamous for identifying, tracking, and understanding user behavior. We are kind of past the point where these companies care at all. If you think the push to add age verification to operating systems is an unrelated giggle I envy you. Something something Cambridge analytica.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#306

Honest question, does most of Meta's creepiness trickle down directly from Zuckerberg, or is their entire executive also this creepy? Does the executive know better at this point but have toasted the culture and no one can fight against it anymore?

Culture is often set top down. Look at the current US administration for a public example. People at the top will choose people who agree with them or who are sycophants. Top execs also chose this job and zuck because they have no moral issues with what the company does... Often if you closely associate with someone creepy or immoral it's because you care more about money and power.

That's really only limited to political appointees as far as the US government is concerned. Career civil servants hang around for a long time while their bosses change every 4 to 8 years.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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post #293

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This data is going to get leaked in a breach. It will be used against you in a court of law. It will be used for training and (regardless of what anyone says) will be used to fire you once the AI can do your job. And when all of the above happens Meta will be absolved of any responsibility. I don't understand how it's legal either. I guess we need laws against it yesterday.

It doesn't have to get leaked. They can sell it and use it as another means to identify Internet users. Meta is pretty infamous for identifying, tracking, and understanding user behavior. We are kind of past the point where these companies care at all. If you think the push to add age verification to operating systems is an unrelated giggle I envy you. Something something Cambridge analytica.

I think it's their employees here that have cause to be concerned, not internet users.

Meta already has literally have billions of people's personal profiles and browsing history.

I don't think screenshots of their SWE's IDEs is going to be useful for identifying internet users.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

#308
How is this supposed to improve productivity? I'm still struggling with the framing of the business productivity gained from this?

I will say that I feel for the folks who work at Meta...I can't help but to feel they have long jumped the shark.

Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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Why not? How about a company-owned toilet? It's their property as well.

You're right, maybe they should put cameras in there too. But there's a reason we don't yet every worker still explicitly or implicitly knows not to use their work computer for personal tasks, as people can and do get fired for doing so.

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Re: Meta to start capturing employee mouse movements, keystrokes for AI training

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There shouldn't be any expectation of privacy? There absolutely should!

On a work computer? No there shouldn't and isn't.

It might surprise you, but culturally, not all companies are this way. I know some are, but some are very different.

100% of the people at my company use their computer for personal tasks, and this is permissible under our policies. Our company is fully BYOD and owns zero computers, and zero cell phones.

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