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OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Doesn't google facilitate all those things? Doesn't internet itself facilitate?

Facilitation is not an idempotent operation.

What if the LLM made you solve a really complex math equation before it gave you the results? Would that make it ok?

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I am not so sure about that, trial and error can produce very dangerous results especially over the span of years or even decades.

if you're a layman "trial and error"ing bioweapons off chatgpt, you're not going to be around for decades

That's the question ain't it? Is it capable enough to keep you alive?

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Honest question, isn't that like OK? Like if you have a product, and the government says the product is ok, and it's labeled per regulation and later that product turns out to be deleterious to people's health should the company be liable? Guess we should already have precedent but my google-fu is failing here. I can't seem to find the resolution of Felix-Lozano v. Nalge Nunc , Felix sued Nalgene over their use of BP…

> Like if you have a product, and the government says the product is ok, and it's labeled per regulation and later that product turns out to be deleterious to people's health should the company be liable? But like, what if you like, totally bribed the shit out government people and like totally fabricated scientific evidence to make it seem like it was safe but then you sold it anyway? Aren't you then like a total pi…

It's going to be okay. Stop watching movies and thinking they correlate to real life.

Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Honest question, isn't that like OK? Like if you have a product, and the government says the product is ok, and it's labeled per regulation and later that product turns out to be deleterious to people's health should the company be liable? Guess we should already have precedent but my google-fu is failing here. I can't seem to find the resolution of Felix-Lozano v. Nalge Nunc , Felix sued Nalgene over their use of BP…

I'm not a lawyer, nor a judge, so I can't say. All I can tell you is that it feels wrong that [Monsanto/OpenAI] can lobby a state's legislature to prevent you, the average joe and potential lucrative victim, from filing a lawsuit against them when it seems clear to any reasonable person that people are developing [cancer/mental health issues] due to the use of [pesticides/AI]. Perhaps something like anti-SLAPP rules…

If companies can't lobby, so many "safety" regulations will pass that you will simply suffocate and kill private industry.

This is why most promising drug candidates never see light of day.

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I'm not a lawyer, nor a judge, so I can't say. All I can tell you is that it feels wrong that [Monsanto/OpenAI] can lobby a state's legislature to prevent you, the average joe and potential lucrative victim, from filing a lawsuit against them when it seems clear to any reasonable person that people are developing [cancer/mental health issues] due to the use of [pesticides/AI]. Perhaps something like anti-SLAPP rules…

If companies can't lobby, so many "safety" regulations will pass that you will simply suffocate and kill private industry. This is why most promising drug candidates never see light of day.

I'm generally open to lobbying, but I'm not generally open to "you can never file a lawsuit against the comically evil pesticide corporation standing behind us twirling their mustaches." There needs to be a middle ground.

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He was not the founder of OpenAI

nobody was "the" founder of OpenAI. Sam was one of many cofounders, though I don't see how the particulars here are relevant to the point above.

There are several points above:

> wasn't OpenAI the company that was formed as a nonprofit to limit the risks of LLMs?

>> the whole “rationalist” movement is full of those lying fks

>>> Is Sam even a rationalist, or describe his views as rationalist?

The relevancy is that a question of how and why the company was formed isn't fully answered by only talking about his motivations.

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I have made both GPT 5.4 and Opus 4.6 produce me content on creating neurotoxic agents from items you can get at most everyday stores. It struggled to suggest how to source phosphorus, but eventually lead me to some ebay listings that sell phosphorus elemental 'decorations' and also lead me towards real!! blackmarket codewords for sourcing such materials. It coached me how to: stay safe, what materials I need, how to…

> this is not how the model should behave

It's exactly how it should behave, without any prior overriding of system prompts.

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Wait, you think that if we shut down the gun companies the mass shootings would stop?

Stop no, reduce yes. Same with how seatbelts didn’t end car crash fatalities. Eliminating drunk driving also wouldn’t end road fatalities, but outside of Wisconsin no one believes drunk drivers shouldn’t be in jail.

Those comparisons don’t make sense. There are millions of guns in the country, and cutting US manufacturing wouldn’t change that any time soon.

Re: OpenAI backs Illinois bill that would limit when AI labs can be held liable

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Funny, I was just rereading the Hyperion series. It says there clearly that it was the AIs that created the black hole that led to the destruction of Old Earth. Intentionally.

I've never read the book but I assume there were some sycophants who were praising the AI right up until it created a black hole that destroyed the planet.

Great space opera, try it if you like the genre. It wasn't exactly like that but I've already spoiled it too much.
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