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AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by brigandish »

input_sh wrote: post #280
croon wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the artists have live shows, it's generally a good indication it's not AI (for now at least).

It's not like this one's even trying to hide it, one look at their Instagram will tell you everything: https://www.instagram.com/eddiedaltonmusic/ I'd like to point out that there's absolutely no way an Instagram account that is not even a month old gets hundreds of thousands of likes almost every upload. That should be an immediate red flag to everyone, Instagram included. Another thing worth pointing out is that iT…

> Do you buy music on iTunes?

That's like asking HN if they buy Christmas CDs at Tesco. This is a very self-selecting group of people. I know people who buy off of iTunes, who don't use Spotify, who've never heard of Bandcamp, who still listen to the radio… there are people beyond your little bubble. It's a big old world.

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Post by pjc50 »

topherhunt wrote: post #283
yoz-y wrote: post #243

Auto play has been a way for me to find new music. I stopped using it because now every listen is accompanied by a a nagging feeling that the song that is playing might be AI generated. Now I just go and look for new albums from bands I know I like. I wish there was a pre-2023 filter for the algorithmic feed.

I'm sorry but this attitude baffles me, and I think it's the sort of thing that will sound so silly in 20 years that we'll have collectively memory-holed it. If you're turned off from listening to Spotify recoms becausue they _might_ be AI and you _might_ not know, what does that say to you about the disconnect between your aesthetic judgment and your values? If you're listening to Spotify autoplays and a shitty song…

To a vegetarian: "just think about how it tastes, don't worry if there's meat in it!"

Really this stuff is accelerating a conflict between two philosophies of life:

- one where neural network A (electric) produces a set of stimuli for neural network B (meat), which in turn causes the meat to press buttons to maximize the stimuli received;

- one where humans seek meaning in the world and connection with other humans.

Now, the second is losing, and has been since the decline in philosophical dualism across the 20th century; but it can still express the concepts of "important" and "meaningful", which have no place in the first worldview at all.

> The _economic fairness_ aspect is another matter

More plainly, as soon as I read the headline about one AI occupying 11 top slots I thought it was obviously being gamed by listen-botting. I don't really know how a system where machines "listen" to other machines in order to extract a small revenue from defrauded advertisers is sustainable, but there it is.

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Post by kingkongjaffa »

topherhunt wrote: post #283
yoz-y wrote: post #243

Auto play has been a way for me to find new music. I stopped using it because now every listen is accompanied by a a nagging feeling that the song that is playing might be AI generated. Now I just go and look for new albums from bands I know I like. I wish there was a pre-2023 filter for the algorithmic feed.

I'm sorry but this attitude baffles me, and I think it's the sort of thing that will sound so silly in 20 years that we'll have collectively memory-holed it. If you're turned off from listening to Spotify recoms becausue they _might_ be AI and you _might_ not know, what does that say to you about the disconnect between your aesthetic judgment and your values? If you're listening to Spotify autoplays and a shitty song…

> Insofar as you're a music-enjoyer, listening to music, the only question should be _is it good_. It shouldn't matter if it was created by duck or slug.

What an awful take. Music is inherently a human act, there's been lots written about this, but the point, and especially for music with lyrics is story telling, emotion, connection, empathy. Things a duck or slug or large language model have not business mimicking.

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Post by fennecbutt »

aaronharnly wrote: post #286
topherhunt wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but this attitude baffles me, and I think it's the sort of thing that will sound so silly in 20 years that we'll have collectively memory-holed it. If you're turned off from listening to Spotify recoms becausue they _might_ be AI and you _might_ not know, what does that say to you about the disconnect between your aesthetic judgment and your values? If you're listening to Spotify autoplays and a shitty song…

Some of us want to support actual human musicians?

Well supporting small artists instead of huge celebrities worth almost a billion dollars or more is a start (not for you, for everyone).

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Post by MrThoughtful »

I actually can relate to AI music better than to music made by humans.

I always feel some jealousy when listening to rockstars. Because they get all the action and I get so little. They see the world, are desired by all the beautiful women, earn a ton of money and don't have to work a boring job.

With AI music, I know it is just some lonely GPU in a cold, dark datacenter somewhere. Crunching numbers. Just like I do.

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Post by jhrmnn »

topherhunt wrote: post #283
yoz-y wrote: post #243

Auto play has been a way for me to find new music. I stopped using it because now every listen is accompanied by a a nagging feeling that the song that is playing might be AI generated. Now I just go and look for new albums from bands I know I like. I wish there was a pre-2023 filter for the algorithmic feed.

I'm sorry but this attitude baffles me, and I think it's the sort of thing that will sound so silly in 20 years that we'll have collectively memory-holed it. If you're turned off from listening to Spotify recoms becausue they _might_ be AI and you _might_ not know, what does that say to you about the disconnect between your aesthetic judgment and your values? If you're listening to Spotify autoplays and a shitty song…

Interesting. The debate about whether the artist matters in perceiving a piece of art is very old. You don’t seem to consider the possibility that the artist’s intent matters when listening to music. For me it absolutely does. As the AI has no intent (agency), the AI music is void of any value to me.

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Post by jstummbillig »

MrThoughtful wrote: post #305

I actually can relate to AI music better than to music made by humans. I always feel some jealousy when listening to rockstars. Because they get all the action and I get so little. They see the world, are desired by all the beautiful women, earn a ton of money and don't have to work a boring job. With AI music, I know it is just some lonely GPU in a cold, dark datacenter somewhere. Crunching numbers. Just like I do.

How can you say that!? Compared to your GPU, you are terrible at crunching numbers.

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Post by pjc50 »

cornholio wrote: post #293
topherhunt wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but this attitude baffles me, and I think it's the sort of thing that will sound so silly in 20 years that we'll have collectively memory-holed it. If you're turned off from listening to Spotify recoms becausue they _might_ be AI and you _might_ not know, what does that say to you about the disconnect between your aesthetic judgment and your values? If you're listening to Spotify autoplays and a shitty song…

Well, let's make a revoltingly fun analogy: say a hamburger restaurant opened in your city, that openly admits it puts (ethically acquired) human meat in some of its products. You don't have to worry about the legality of the venture, it's all 100% compliant with the original persons donating their bodies to feed the world. Now, the hamburgers are extraordinarily good tasting, some say the best in town. The price is…

> You don't have to worry about the legality of the venture, it's all 100% compliant with the original persons donating their bodies to feed the world. Now, the hamburgers are extraordinary good tasting, some say the best in town. The price is also good - they have a great hook up for the main ingredient, after all.

Halfway through this paragraph I started hearing it in the Trump cadence.

> The source matters, both for meat and art.

Yes, exactly. This is why people care about things like DOC, fair trade certifications, UFLPA clothing, cruelty-free cosmetics, and so on.

To deepen the analogy slightly: is the AI "ethically acquired"? Do the people collating the training data have consent for every piece of music they trained it on?

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Post by pjc50 »

MrThoughtful wrote: post #305

I actually can relate to AI music better than to music made by humans. I always feel some jealousy when listening to rockstars. Because they get all the action and I get so little. They see the world, are desired by all the beautiful women, earn a ton of money and don't have to work a boring job. With AI music, I know it is just some lonely GPU in a cold, dark datacenter somewhere. Crunching numbers. Just like I do.

"Not all artists". Very few of them, especially these days. I'm reminded of the old joke about how when Mozart was my age, he'd been dead for ten years.
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