It’s interesting to read the discussion here through the lens of obligations vs rights. It would seem the rights are definitely winning.
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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the go…
Most young men don't have wives or daughters. It's not 1850 anymore. I would rather both genders get drafted than be in a Ukraine situation where millions of women leave for richer countries while I am pulled off the street to go eat FPV drones. What's even the point? Why not surrender? What am I protecting or preserving?
> What's even the point?
Rich people staying in power is the point.
> Why not surrender? Surrendering is not always practicable. You will get killed if you're a liability to your captors.
> What am I protecting or preserving? That's really only yours, and yours alone, to consider.
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#303Singapore has a similar requirement called an Exit Permit. It may have changed, I don’t really know or care anymore. But the conscription was a huge driver for me to emigrate as soon as I could. I left the country 2 weeks after finishing my military service.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And if you fail to seek permission nothing happens. You can ignore it without consequence The consequence is you violated the law, and they can have you at any time, even retroactively, for that. That they don't is merely a detail. If it really has "no consequence" they should remove it.
Civilized countries don’t allow retroactively increasing the penalty for breaking a law. Does Germany allow that?
No, Germany punishes according to the laws at the time of the crime. It is not possible to retroactively enforce new criminal statutes.
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#305This is only for citizen not refugees/immigrants so both MEA and NA folks can chill.
Dunno how it is in Germany but quite a few of my non white friends wound up in the Canadian Army. I don't know why immigration is brought up in this conversation at all.
It is about citizenship, not race.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely not. What you quote is beside the point and irrelevant. Defence and the military is a sovereign matter that has nothing to do with the EU... except we are seeing that this is changing without democratic national mandates.
How can it be irrelevant when the quoted text is from a website about the EU, written by the EU itself? This is the EU describing its own history and beginnings.
How does that make it relevant?
I can only repeat that defence is a sovereign matter in which the EU has no power, but there is a trend of changing this by making it happen as "fait accompli", especially since the war in Ukraine, which is used as pretext.
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#307How does feminism survive if this becomes the norm? If young men feel like they're expected to give more to their society it's natural to expect renumeration financial, socially or politically. Nordic countries don't seem to have this problem, but their conscription laws are quite relaxed compared to what the future will likely hold. A declining youth population almost certainly means greater youth repression (higher…
How can a state survive if this weren't the norm? Why would men fight and die for a government that views their own wives and daughters as cannon fodder? If the government is conscripting men's wives to war, is it really in the interest of men to risk their own lives to protect that government? If the government took my wife and sent her to war, I'd sooner firebomb a government office than join up to fight for the go…
Why are those women then allowed to have vote in matters if they are not forced to carry responsibility for their voting behaviour?
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Most of the opposition to women in the army comes from conservatives, not from feminists. They imagine themselves injured in the trenches in need of being carried by a fellow soldier, and they conclude that women are too weak.
Soldiers are expected to ruck like 65lbs or more.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm in a country ~5mil population (less than israel's) where men are conscripted and there is a fair amount of angst regarding their sacrifice. IMO, the cause is a mix of patriarchy and voteshare. Factor #2 is no longer true, nowadays more and more stuff is being produced by machines. Moreover women can pick up guns. Drones can be piloted. Lethality is only going to go up. No one sane would want to go fight in a war…
Finland?
Could also be Singapore or Taiwan.
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#310Those governments are totally inept. For decades they have alienated their own native population, especially men. And now they want to conscript them as their approval ratings are around 15℅. Think about it, Trump approval rating fell sharply but is still at about 40%. Merz is at 15% and most of those 15% are probably boomers in a nursing home. He is probably closer to 0% within the demographic he is trying to conscr…
> He is probably closer to 0% within the demographic he is trying to conscript.
To be fair going against the demographic where you have a 0% approval rate does not lose you much.