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Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by streetfighter64 »

defrost wrote: post #249
streetfighter64 wrote: post #245

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> Not everything you personally dislike needs to be illegal. I'm having a hard time seeing why making stuff more difficult to repair just so that people are incentivized to throw it away and buy a new one, should not be illegal. If not for the anti-customer attitude, at least for the amount of waste and environmental destruction it results in.

You might be interested in the vast world of public policy. There's more to the world than banned / not banned. In this instance, people might want a sensible pragmatic government to levy against companies that have high numbers of items ending up in eWaste processing (or discarded in fly tipping) and offer reductions to companies that invest in eWaste processing and collection. There are also legitimate total lifeti…

> clean, fast, simple manufacturing that leads to a product hard to deconstruct

This seems like a total fantasy. Do you actually have any examples of non-repairability making the process cheaper?

Sure there are lots of economical incentives to making stuff that you use until it breaks and then throw away, but that's just because the cost of e.g. mining metals or taking care of e-waste are externalized, due to using unethical labor in third world countries. If the "large consumer population" of the west actually had to bear the real cost of the electronics they produce, things would be vastly different.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by gcanyon »

throwaway85825 wrote: post #195
alsetmusic wrote: post #157

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When one party will violate every norm and law to the greatest extent that they can get away with it, it's pretty much impossible to compete with them. I want good things for people. I can't compete with fascists because they will cheat and lie and employ violence. My positive intent is almost impossible to out thwart their dirty deeds if they are willing to break laws / change laws and I won't.

There's only one party and it's color is green. Donors know red or blue doesn't matter, so they give to both.

That's just an unreal characterization that plays into the hands of the "red" team. One side has put up presidents and congressional leadership that worked (mostly, I'm not saying they're perfect) within the traditional framework of the system. The other has put up a president who literally does not understand the meaning of the word "no," expects that everyone will let him do pretty much anything he wants, and a congress that agrees with him. Notably, that side was different in 2000, 1988, 1980, etc. -- not perfect by any stretch, but not this.

The difference matters.

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Post by gcanyon »

southerntofu wrote: post #202
alsetmusic wrote: post #157

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When one party will violate every norm and law to the greatest extent that they can get away with it, it's pretty much impossible to compete with them. I want good things for people. I can't compete with fascists because they will cheat and lie and employ violence. My positive intent is almost impossible to out thwart their dirty deeds if they are willing to break laws / change laws and I won't.

Assuming you're from the USA, your two main parties are exactly like that. The appearances have changed, but Obama drone-assassinating random children on the other side of the world was not much better than what Trump is doing. Not defending Trump, to be clear, just saying US imperialism and fascism has much deeper roots and that removing Trump is not going to fix any issues the rest of the world has with the USA.

Can you point to an objective assessment of Obama's drone policy?

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Post by PunchyHamster »

Xixi wrote: post #296
hnfong wrote: post #205

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> It’s time to accept regulation actually does work when you have a competent government. Given that it's the EU making those regulations, it looks like the government only has to be semi-competent. Maybe the only requirement is that they're not totally in bed with the big corps making money.

I wonder to what extent in this instance it is driven by the EU regulating (mostly) foreign companies rather than (mostly) domestic ones. Said differently, it is much easier for the EU to be impartial and competent when regulating Apple or Samsung than when regulating Volkswagen or Stellantis...

Well if you have seen how EU regulates domestic companies you would not wonder about that. There is no mercy.

US companies just hit that barrier more often historically because they got used to "lobby it and it goes away" attitude to law, and when it doesn't work we have harpy screeeching about EU using laws to tax US companies that do not want to abide to law in place where they are doing business

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Post by PunchyHamster »

wolvoleo wrote: post #257
egeozcan wrote: post #214

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> Given that it's the EU making those regulations, it looks like the government only has to be semi-competent Context: I'm not a EU-native, I've migrated to here. It disturbs me a lot when people keep repeating the "incompetent government" narrative when it comes to the EU, but when you compare it to the dictatorship that I escaped from, they still seem way more competent, surprising when the big advantage of a dicta…

Even here in Europe, most of Southern Europe was a bunch of Dictatorships up into the late 70s! Spain, Portugal, Greece... Not to mention Eastern Europe until the wall fell. All dictatorships in different forms. So yeah we've had our share as well. The problem with the EU is that it seems to be becoming more susceptible to industry lobbying. As of late they are reducing environmental laws (the banning of ICE cars), w…

>As of late they are reducing environmental laws (the banning of ICE cars)

I think that particular one is because they realized their timeline is impossible to hit without utterly crippling EU

> weakening GDPR and DMA/DSA

There was always a lot of push for that, it is very much "yes/try later" on those legislations, we got the biggest traitor of the freedom out (UK) but there are still countries either interested, or incompetent enough to think the pushed ideas are a good thing

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

0dayz wrote: post #225
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #207

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Their point is almost the exact opposite to the one a 'gigachad' would make.

And yet their name concludes otherwise.

Fair point! I didn't even notice their username, in case that weren't very obvious.

Re: My MacBook keyboard is broken and it's insanely expensive to fix

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Post by Grisu_FTP »

While i think the usecase of a Macbook and a Framework are really different i will always be thankfull to framework for how easy they make it.

Broke my keyboard, a few days later i had a new one that didnt even take a minute to swap. Wanted to upgrade my GPU twice, didnt even take 10 minutes. Biggest difficulty was swapping the motherboard, but even that was easy.

The ports i need change all the time, and i can just swap them all the time :D

While a framework might be a bit expensive, overpriced even, i think the repairability and upgradeability is worth it for me

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Post by PunchyHamster »

BoorishBears wrote: post #123
Gigachad wrote: post #84

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Decades of HN users finger wagging and suggesting FOSS hardware has progressed society nowhere. 12 months from EU mandatory replaceable batteries and products across the industry are being redesigned with repairability, usb-c, and user friendly designs. It’s time to accept regulation actually does work when you have a competent government.

That's a great example of their point, all I got was a mechanically inferior connector (putting the most important piece of the female connector on a floating sliver of plastic was a choice) and the cable hell attached to USB C. If USB C had been so important to me I wouldn't have bought iPhones all those years.

Putting spring on the connector part rather than socket part means the easily replaceable part has wear item. Lighting is designed wrong here.

And our helpdesk had more broken lightning connectors than anything else in shop that's ~ 50/50 PC/Mac

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Post by Dusseldorf »

hbs18 wrote: post #262
avidiax wrote: post #166

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You also got a connector that supports much more than USB 2.0 speeds. It also supports high power charging, video, thunderbolt, etc. Lightning was a dead-end connector that was only kept around to keep the Made-for-iPhone moat drawbridge up. USB-C makes the right design choice in putting the springs in the cable. Those wear out over time. I've never seen the male part of the female USB-C break, but I'm sure it's poss…

> I've never seen the male part of the female USB-C break, but I'm sure it's possible I know anecdotes don't mean anything, but I have. Every USB-C phone I've ever had, apart from my iPhone that I currently use, ended up with having completely worn out connectors after two-three years of use. They stop holding cables in firm enough and start only making the connection when holding the cable at an angle.

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but have you considered that you might need to improve your putting/unplugging habits? I used to have connectors and cords break after around that much time. Around 2018 or so I bought a new set of chargers and decent quality cloth sheathed cables. Because all my cords were new, I was much more diligent about carefully plugging and unplugging (no mashing the port, no flexing across the short axis, no yanking by the cord) and eventually a habit formed. Not a single one of those cords, nor any of the ports on my phones, have broken since then. Even the daily use ones next to my bed!
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