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Post by magic_hamster »

thunky wrote: post #291
magic_hamster wrote: post #243

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Holy shit what rock are you living under? Israel is villifying itself just fine.

I argue that anyone saying this is watching too many TikTok videos and not really familiar with what's going on.

Without going into too much detail, my position and line of work means that I have to keep very informed on the middle east and so far I've seen a lot of hatred, and very little factual basis. In fact every single person I personally talked to was very uninformed on these matters which is fine, as long as you accept it and don't form extreme opinions on entire countries.

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Post by dyauspitr »

cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

You have to be pretty shit to get people to defacto support Iran. As usually Trump has led the US into the gutter.

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Post by idop »

einszwei wrote: post #109
cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

They obliterated a kindergarten in Israel just this morning, and several others since the start of the war. Last week a missile landed right behind my house, just between a kindergarten and an elementary school, damaging both.

Literally all Israeli casualties were civilian.

Your comment made me realize international media doesn't care to even publish this, leading to this incredibly skewed view.

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Post by thunky »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #189
swat535 wrote: post #112

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This is simply not true. I'm Iranian and I wish it were but IRGC has more support than you think. There is at least 30-40% of the population who support it and within those, more than half will gladly die for the regime. My home country has more than 90M people and 40% of that equates for millions of supporters. From the outside, you are only hearing the diaspora talking points, which don't realistically represent Ir…

There is at least 30-40% of the population who support it and within those, more than half will gladly die for the regime. Sobering, and (speaking as an American) all too familiar here at home. Cults suck.

Unless you're talking about the US military you're wrong here. MAGA is not willing to sacrifice anything. It's a bully mindset and bullies take, they don't give.

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Post by UltraSane »

cardanome wrote: post #22

Accusing Iran of "lashing out" and being "reckless" by attacking US bases while the US and Israel literally murder school children, bomb hospitals and assassinate state leaders is rich. It didn't have to be this way but they decided this to turn into a fight of survival for Iran and destroy any option for a peaceful resolution. Now they are going to pay the price.

Iran is actively murdering protesters including a 19 year old.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

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Post by alchemism »

arbuge wrote: post #131
einszwei wrote: post #109

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Your comment made me realise that while Iran has attacked a dozen countries, they have yet to attack a school or a hospital. Not condoning anyone but shows the priority of both sides.

They did however murder thousands of protesters in their own streets in January, and who knows how much more dissidents over the years. This one was just this week: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-execution-teen-wrestler-ja... So there's that.

How does that compare with putting hundreds of thousands of people into cages for arbitrary reasons, I wonder. Or depositing them in random countries to be killed because they are e.g. homosexual.

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Post by UltraSane »

throwaw12 wrote: post #256
gizajob wrote: post #69

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I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.

> tens of thousands of their own citizens Any credible source for this? 1. Western media is not credible because West treats Iran as enemy 2. Iranian media is not credible because they obviously want to hide facts when they're negative Now my question is, why are you spreading unverifiable information as something credible and building your facts on top of it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

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Post by s5300 »

breppp wrote: post #208
isr wrote: post #196

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Its a mystery how "the terrorists" have launched 1000's of missiles & drones, in 70+ (and counting) waves, across 3 weeks, spanning across the region, and yet they have ABJECTLY FAILED to: * hit any hospital * blow up any school * nor murder any journalists. Yet, despite this stunning lack of accuracy from ... "the terrorists", they have somehow managed to hit EVERYTHING ELSE they were aiming at. On the other hand, t…

Actually Iran has hit the Soroka hospital in Israel in the previous war and the Weizmann Institute, a research university

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Post by jandrewrogers »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #241
jandrewrogers wrote: post #206

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> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing

While I somewhat agree, you should also look at the results of those precision strikes. Usually, when they kill a senior Iranian officer sleeping in his appartment, they level the building or at lest blow up several adjacent units, probably killing at last 10 innocent people.

That's an inherent limitation of precision strikes. The objective is minimizing the collateral damage required to achieve the objective, not avoiding it entirely. Even the various explosive-free precision-guided munitions the US uses have a non-zero damage radius.

One can argue whether or not it is a good idea for the bombs to be flying around in the first place, but there is no version of physics that allows anyone to avoid collateral damage as a practical matter.

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Post by mmmm2 »

ttul wrote: post #190
mmmm2 wrote: post #172

To me this is like the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo during WWII. The tactical result isn't important, the range of the strike is, and that it happened at all. Japan thought it was immune from air attack on the home islands in 1942, and the raid shocked them. Iran is showing the world (especially Europe), that it's more vulnerable than it thinks. Europe has more skin in the game than just the price of oil and nitrogen. Als…

Strategically, it seems like a dumb move. Right now, Congress is unlikely to approve Trump’s request for $200B to fund the war effort. But if Americans can be convinced that Iran could somehow hit American cities, they would call their members of Congress in a heartbeat and that money would presumably flow without interruption. Why time the medium range missiles now? It seems like yet another own-goal for this desper…

I can't speak for Iran, but it may be a warning against attempting to land troops on Kharg Island. They're showing that they've been "nice" so far, but they have escalation paths America may not have considered. I think most people thought they were limited to short range missile strikes.
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