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Toyota’s leadership is staunchly anti-EV
Toyota sells EVs. They sell the bZ3, bZ4, bZ5, bZ7, bZ3X, bZ Woodland, C-HR+, Lexus RZ, Lexus ES, and soon the Hilux EV. The Lexus ES: https://electrek.co/2026/03/19/lexus-launches-es-ev-with-300...
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If they could find the power for the data centers, why can’t we find it for EVs?
But they didn’t find power for data centres. That’s one of their problems.
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#303I've had a rough time with the last two EVs I've owned. I bought a Honda e in 2020 because of its retro-future charm, but ended up being disappointed by several things: - the range was miserable - the software quality was bad - no OTA updates ever (despite Honda's promises) - slow charging - poor public charging infrastructure in Germany I should have known that a 35 kW battery wouldn't deliver great range or chargin…
When people see you your EVs are a bug ridden mess and say no thank you, they're not rejecting your electric cars because they're electric. The answer isn't to retreat from electric and then excrete the same shitty software from the shelved EVs into the legacy ICE models. Now you just made people annoyed by the remaining cars that you do sell.
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I work all over Europe and I’m not super impressed with the state of charging infrastructure in general and it seems particularly bad in German. One thing that’s super annoying and this is not specific to Germany, but why the fuck do I need some shitty app to use your charger? Should be tap and go like any other purchase. You know, like how I pay for my petrol? Seems to me like everyone wants to force an app down my…
> why the fuck do I need some shitty app to use your charger? I have PHEV that doesn't pull much from a charger, and I usually don't use chargers for money, but... When I charged for fun while I was shopping at a grocery store, it ended up being like a 70 cent charge. If you bill 70 cents to a credit card, it doesn't make sense. Tieing it to an app, you can either charge more and have me loan you the balance, or you…
Yes, the entire economy is beholden to two payment portals (WeChat and Alipay) and I'm sure the analytics are off the scale and you're completely fucked if you can't use or get banned from the platform but the actual 99% user experience is exactly the microtransaction dream that people have been unable to solve in the west for decades.
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Toyota sells EVs. They sell the bZ3, bZ4, bZ5, bZ7, bZ3X, bZ Woodland, C-HR+, Lexus RZ, Lexus ES, and soon the Hilux EV. The Lexus ES: https://electrek.co/2026/03/19/lexus-launches-es-ev-with-300...
They do, however they have been very vocal in their reluctance to invest in that strategy.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota...
As time goes on BEVs will make up a greater percentage of their sales.
As BEVs get cheaper and more practical demand will keep going up. Toyota will follow BEV demand.
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How is all this Battery waste good for the environment? #ElectrifiedEnvironmentalDestruction
Mostly by replacing the use of a gasoline-burning internal combination engine car.
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Mostly by replacing the use of a gasoline-burning internal combination engine car.
And instead moving to a component made of critical raw materials with recycling rates of <5%.
However I don't find anywhere claiming anywhere near Example source of manufacturers claiming >95% [0].
0: https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-well-can-electric-vehicl...
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> poor public charging infrastructure in Germany Dunno, had a trip through it last year, there are more than enough chargers. Some of them were literally free. I have 70kWh battery though. Also, I paid much less than 40k for my chinese SUV. The software is buggy though, a random reboot on motorway doesn't feel nice.
It depends where you are. I live in a somewhat rural area in Northern Germany. There are some chargers, but many of them are out of service like the one next door. I've never stumbled upon a free charger though.
I charge with the granny charger at home.
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Inversely I leased a Fiat 500e for a year in Detroit Michigan and had no issues with range ~130 miles. I would plug it in nightly as I had a level 2 charger installed at my house. The experiment was quite successful. I just didn’t like front wheel drive on somedays with heavy snow. I used it for commuting to work, buying groceries and visiting friends nearby. It met my needs and I feel a slightly bigger car with 4 do…
Sadly, I don't own a wall box. So I'm dependent on public infrastructure. If I could charge at home I'd be even happier with my car.
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Sadly I think it's kind of accepted by this point that overnight charging is a prerequisite to a good experience with an EV.
It's not a prerequisite: I see lots of people plugging their cars at public chargers in my residential area; I assume they charge once a week while doing groceries or dining out.