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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

sreejithr wrote: post #231
shell0x wrote: post #200

I think the middle eastern conflicts are a tragedy. That said, this story does not belong on HN. As others called out this is a tech community and while there is sometimes an overlap with politics, it should at least be somewhat related like mass surveillance or AI being used for war. HN is one of the most informative and least toxic communities and I’d appreciate if it would stay this way.

Exactly! Don't bring politics into HN. Everyone and their dog have grievances. There's a time and place for them.

Exactly, we shouldn’t waste the precious time of HNers so that they can instead… checks notes… read about the nth vibevcoded side project!

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by muzani »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #268
IncreasePosts wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Gaza get 10x the coverage on HN and other social media well, when what has been happening in Sudan in the same time period is 10x worse? (The 10x coverage number is from algolia hn search, the 10x worse number is from reported killings in the past year)

Because there is often a large tech component to it. The United States and Israel have two of the most advanced high-tech sectors in the world and they are playing a large role in this conflict.

And the people on HN work disproportionately in such companies, so it hits closer to home.

If Microsoft, Meta, Palantir, OpenAI, etc, were complicit in genocide in Sudan, Sudan would have much more attention.

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Post by vehemenz »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #276
nxor2 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What does that have to do with the subject of this thread at all? Christians are also terrible to gay people, and European societies have only very recently (in the last two to three decades) become somewhat more tolerant. In the context of Israel-Palestine, this issue is only raised in order to somehow justify Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, a la "They deserve it because they're not as enlightened as we are.…

It’s relevant because most commenters here hold moral standards that are completely self-undermining because they choose to not apply them to the “oppressed” group.

Consider that it doesn’t matter how genocidal Israel’s Islamicist neighbors are. The IDF occassionally targets civilians when they shouldn’t. Meanwhile Israel’s neighbors don’t even draw the distinction.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by igonvalue »

bhouston wrote: post #49

For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…

I'm wondering about the broader context here: Are stories like this rare or common? Are they increasing or decreasing in frequency?

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Post by ozlikethewizard »

dmitrygr wrote: post #300
jmward01 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A professional looks at and understands the situation as it exists now. A professional is trained to not get into situations where fear controls them. Your argument is a compelling one that either these are not professionals or that they are professionals and are doing this on purpose. The stats today clearly show the massive difference between danger to Israeli personnel and Palestinians. Israel at this point has ei…

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So what exactly did the 8 year old boy sat in the back of his parents car do wrong?

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Post by fc417fc802 »

jll29 wrote: post #124
bhouston wrote: post #49

For those wondering, it is verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs The main justification floated is that the car was "going fast" and thus made the undercover Israeli soldiers feel unsafe. The New York Times describes it as such: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him i…

A certain amount of politics should/must be tolerated on HN, because you cannot compartmentalize technology, politics and morality. No-one, not even people who say they like technology but do not care about politics, should be able to live their life wihtout knowing that we live in a world where six-year old blind children are murdered with automatic assault rifles. (For the same reason that no-one should be able to…

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Post by anigbrowl »

fennecbutt wrote: post #249
ceejayoz wrote: post #177

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Can't say I'm glad to have read that, but at the same time it's good that male victims of wartime sexual assault/rape get covered. It's just a shame that the response is still incredibly muted. It's like men just don't want to think about it. Whereas I feel pure, hot rage at the lack of coverage, the lack of anybody caring. Raped men being offered paracetamol because the clinics after only for women has been seared i…

It is good that it gets covered, but the antagonistic and accelerated nature of modern media means that such coverage is rapidly subjected to spin, repackaging and so on. This opinionated but imho fair article summarizes how one of the self-admitted participants in the incident was treated as a mini0celebrity by one of the right-aligned Israeli TV channels:-

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/08/the-main-suspect-in-the-sde-t...

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by selcuka »

shell0x wrote: post #200

I think the middle eastern conflicts are a tragedy. That said, this story does not belong on HN. As others called out this is a tech community and while there is sometimes an overlap with politics, it should at least be somewhat related like mass surveillance or AI being used for war. HN is one of the most informative and least toxic communities and I’d appreciate if it would stay this way.

> it should at least be somewhat related like mass surveillance or AI being used for war

Sure. Let's spin the story on developments in laser-guided sniper rifle accuracy:

> Suddenly, the boys said, they saw laser pointers shining on their family from every direction, heard their mother scream, heard their father say “God is great” — and then heard a deafening fusillade of gunfire.

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