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Re: Bluesky CEO Jay Graber is stepping down

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lich_king wrote: post #40
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

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Mastodon already won, by being used by people. Bluesky also won, by also being used by people. Not sure if this is a "winner takes it all" scenario? As long as you can host it yourself, I don't really mind where people are, both seem to work and have "won" for what they set out to do.

It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where your friends or "influencers" are. Mastodon ended up losing its user base to Bluesky during the early Twitter exodus because many influencers and journalists wanted to have an "elite" status and a special relationship with the platform, so they preferred a platform owned by Dorsey to some hippie open-source thing. Bluesky, in turn, ended up losing back to Twit…

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Post by wolvoleo »

Klonoar wrote: post #256
wolvoleo wrote: post #250

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It was supposed to be decentralised though, meaning there would be no central party to pursue.

What makes you think a nation state level entity can't pursue in this case...?

The same reason even nation state actors have not managed to eradicate torrents. You take one tracker down, another pops back up.

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Post by jrflowers »

parl_match wrote: post #252
jrflowers wrote: post #219

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> Doing the pancakes/waffles thing in the thread about pancakes/waffles is so fucking on the nose Wait what do you think “the pancakes/waffles thing” refers to? You posted 2 hours ago that you had never heard of it. I can see that how it could be confusing because there’s “the pancakes/waffles thing” where Jay wrote about about people complaining to the CEO when the moderation team doesn’t respond as being equivalent…

> Wait what do you think “the pancakes/waffles thing” refers to? You posted 2 hours ago that you had never heard of it. Quote me where I said I've never heard of the pancake/waffles thing? Of course I've heard of it, it's been around for a decade or so. > I can see that how it could be confusing because there’s “the pancakes/waffles thing” where Jay wrote about about people complaining to the CEO when the moderation…

> Quote me where I said I've never heard of the pancake/waffles thing? Of course I've heard of it, it's been around for a decade or so.

Here is a link to your comment about not having seen it in the context of the discussion you are posting in. When people talk about the pancakes/waffle thing in this context they are not talking about a meme from several years before Bluesky existed but rather a specific event (which I have apparently failed to communicate to you).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47314798

> I want you to read this out loud, to yourself. Maybe you'll feel as insane as I did when I read it.

That seems unnecessarily hostile, especially given I was responding to this comment of yours.

> Doing the pancakes/waffles thing in the thread about pancakes/waffles is so fucking on the nose and demonstrates a complete lack of self awareness.

I was talking about the topic of the thread, you seem kind of focused on swearing and insulting people. My bad, I hadn’t seen your other posts and did not realize how much this subject has flustered you.

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Post by ajam1507 »

unselect5917 wrote: post #291
ValentineC wrote: post #188

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Twitter's main problem wasn't the network, but fElon Musk running amok.

It was the censorship. Which isn't gone, but is way less restrictive than it was. And I've actually started seeing bangers (auto) translated from Japanese, French, Spanish, and Portuguese lately, which is fantastic. I don't really want an English hivemind. I want to see what the whole world thinks. It's kinda fantastic tbh.

Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site?

Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X.

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Post by BeetleB »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #253
BeetleB wrote: post #193

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> It is a zero-sum game in some sense, because you go where your friends or "influencers" are. Bluesky and Mastodon users can interact with each other (provided both parties opt in). I'm on Mastodon, but I see my friend's messages (he's on BlueSky) and vice versa. My replies show on up on BlueSky and vice versa.

I would love to see that work, but every time I've tried to set that up, it seems to fail. The bridges seem unreliable and non-responsive when trying to set them up or diagnose issues with them.

I use https://fed.brid.gy/

It works. It has poor documentation, though so it took a few attempts to figure it out.

For example if you don't have a profile image it won't work.

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Post by unselect5917 »

ajam1507 wrote: post #304
unselect5917 wrote: post #291

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It was the censorship. Which isn't gone, but is way less restrictive than it was. And I've actually started seeing bangers (auto) translated from Japanese, French, Spanish, and Portuguese lately, which is fantastic. I don't really want an English hivemind. I want to see what the whole world thinks. It's kinda fantastic tbh.

Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site? Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X.

>Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site?

It feeds you what you engage with, and it changes surprisingly quickly. It caught onto my ARC raiders interest almost instantly. I engaged with a Portuguese post once, and now I get wonderful translated posts in Spanish, French, and Arabic too.

>Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X.

What evidence could you possibly have that I'm not? There's lots of "politically incorrect" things which is a symptom of low filtration. Besides, you can't have seen my feed. Completely baseless allegation. So what's the real reason for taking the anti-X stance?

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Post by pron »

unselect5917 wrote: post #277
pron wrote: post #114

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Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

>Twitter's demise I just checked https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts/6009 and X (formerly twitter) is the #1 news app followed by substack, CrimeRadar Dispatch Audio, and coming in at 4th place is reddit. So if twitter's dead, what does that make reddit, 3 spots behind it? Well, not dead, obviously. Pretending that twitter is gone or dead is just not rational behavior.

While still in business, X is shrinking fast (https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-x-user-decline-in-uk-...) and sliding in the rankings, where it is well behind Reddit and LinkedIn, and even behind Pinterest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_social_pl...).

I'm not saying it's "fully dead", but it clearly lost the cultural relevance and impact it once had.

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Post by brchr »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #124
arcalinea wrote: post #71

Jay here: this is a transition I've been working towards for awhile, and I'm looking forward to advancing the vision and ecosystem as CIO (Chief Innovation Officer). Toni has been an advisor to us for years, and I personally recruited him to take over as CEO while I focus on new projects within the company. It's an honor to have him on board to lead us into this next stage of growth.

If there was an Internet Technology hall of fame, your work with atproto would qualify. One big innovation is to drag a large bank or Stripe on board to enable payments on the network. Good luck!

FYI, There is absolutely an Internet Hall of Fame and anyone would be welcome to nominate Jay! https://www.internethalloffame.org

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Post by tcbrah »

hinkley wrote: post #136
pfraze wrote: post #38

This move came from Jay so that she could focus more on the atproto ecosystem and forward looking development. Personally, I'm happy for her. The CEO role gets extremely wrapped up in operations & org building, and as a technologist I'm not sure it would be for me. I've met with Toni a couple of times and he seems really excellent. He was CEO of Automattic (Wordpress) from 2006 to 2014, and that means a fair amount o…

There is a very common inflection point in companies where the CEO needs to be about maintaining what is built instead of growing forever. You cannot, for instance, when you have 60% market share expect the company to keep growing linearly. The people who do end up stooping to questionable means to grow new markets they have no business growing, like for instance children. Some orgs will go through three, from founde…

The WordPress analogy is actually pretty apt here given Toni's background. Automattic went through exactly this - Matt stayed as the visionary/product guy while bringing in operators to handle the scaling side. And WordPress is arguably one of the most successful open source projects in terms of actual mainstream adoption.

The tricky part with Bluesky is figuring out which phase they're even in. 40M signups sounds like growth phase, but the retention numbers tell a different story. They might need a sustaining CEO before they've actually finished growing, which is an awkward spot to be in.

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Post by asadotzler »

AuthAuth wrote: post #222
dbbk wrote: post #55

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There is an actual difference

No there isnt.

Yes true.

B Corps allow the board to weigh things besides shareholder value. That's a meaningful distinction.

The idea is that shareholder primacy isn't compatible with everything every corporation wants to do, so having a board that's protected from lawsuits when they put things above shareholders is a useful thing and B Corps offer that.

The board can, for example, reject a "superior" takeover bid without fear of lawsuits from shareholders pissed off they didn't get the biggest payday available. A typical C Corp's board MUST take the highest offer, and not doing so WILL get them sued. That means if GoodGuy B Corp is about to be taken over by BadGuy Inc., the GoodGuy board can say "No, they're not compatible with the public benefit mission we incorporated under so we're not going to accept their offer." That's actually really useful.

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