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Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Side topic, but this number puts into how crazy it was for trump[0] to go on tariff war against enemies and friends alike. All the propaganda and extortionist language about how all countries will pay up to USA. Astronomical tariffs in some cases, trade wars and dramas, alienate all allies and from all of this they got only $130B ? $7T of spending, $1.77T in deficit[1] and they planned to fix this hole with $100B?! M…

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.... what? 3 of the justices were nominated by Trump. You think the people appointing them didn't have internal deliberations before they were appointed, including about things Trump had thought about like tariffs? Even FDR knew the 'separation' was a farce, that's how he magically got the court to go along with progressive programs they prior didn't support, after the 'Switch in time that saved nine.' SCOTUS largely…

> 3 of the justices were nominated by Trump. You can blame RBG for one of those. It fascinates me that Biden made the same mistake RBG did, I’ll always wonder how different the would would be if she had stepped down and the democratic party had held a real primary. I don’t like trump, I think he stinks. The democratic party has a few own-goals in this current game.

Important to note that Republican does not automatically mean "Trumpist".

Ofcourse most American politicians are pathetic losers who immediately cave but judges are generally people who are used to dealing with thugs.

And if you ever wondered why judges cannot be fired by the Executive branch now you know.

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Cantor Fitzgerald, formerly led by Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and is now run by his son, went to various companies that were affected by tariffs and bought the rights to their potential tariff refunds for 20% of the value on the expectation that it'd be struck down by the courts. Now they stand to make huge returns of 3 to 5x for being correct on that bet, while, of course, consumers get nothing. Now if this i…

You've been sucked in by an online lie and are spreading it as fact:

"Amid online claims Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s sons, Brandon and Kyle Lutnick, senior executives at Cantor Fitzgerald, could benefit from the Supreme Court’s tariff ruling, a firm spokesperson told Newsweek it has “never executed any transactions or taken risk on the legality of tariffs.""

[0] https://www.newsweek.com/howard-lutnick-sons-may-make-money-...

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Not only that, the companies used the tariff excuse to raise prices which will not come back down even if tariffs are fully off the table. Just like the price inflation during COVID.

Prices don’t monotonically go up forever, prices come down all the time Edit: Sorry autocorrect thought I said moronically,

I just love this idea that corporations just discovered greed during the pandemic and before that had been selflessly dedicated to selling goods for the benefit of mankind at the lowest price they possibly could. Companies always try to maximize prices, and they do that by trying to optimize the price they sell things at to sell as much as they possibly can at the highest price they can get away with. Sometimes you can get more profits by lowering prices and selling more stuff, sometimes by raising prices and selling less stuff. It's a trade off. Prices went up because of a series of demand and supply shocks enabled companies to raise prices. If they had not raised prices, there would have been shortages everywhere.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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> 3 of the justices were nominated by Trump. You can blame RBG for one of those. It fascinates me that Biden made the same mistake RBG did, I’ll always wonder how different the would would be if she had stepped down and the democratic party had held a real primary. I don’t like trump, I think he stinks. The democratic party has a few own-goals in this current game.

I can't blame Ginsurg. She was still capable of performing her duties even at the end. She resisted an overtly political retirement and it wasn't even clear if a compatible replacement would be confirmed even if she did retire early. It's unfortunate how it went, but I respect her decision.

You don’t think her ego got in the way?

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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> probably Hah, we are 100% not getting our money back. And the higher, tariff level, prices aren't going to go back down either.

The "Importer of Record" gets the refund. I read that a large fraction of those importer of record are Chinese companies.

read from where? Because over 92% of tariff costs were born by domestic importers. Thats american companies who then offload that tax through higher purchasing costs.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2026/02/who-is...

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Cantor Fitzgerald, formerly led by Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and is now run by his son, went to various companies that were affected by tariffs and bought the rights to their potential tariff refunds for 20% of the value on the expectation that it'd be struck down by the courts. Now they stand to make huge returns of 3 to 5x for being correct on that bet, while, of course, consumers get nothing. Now if this i…

That's some third-world shit.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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post #256

Side topic, but this number puts into how crazy it was for trump[0] to go on tariff war against enemies and friends alike. All the propaganda and extortionist language about how all countries will pay up to USA. Astronomical tariffs in some cases, trade wars and dramas, alienate all allies and from all of this they got only $130B ? $7T of spending, $1.77T in deficit[1] and they planned to fix this hole with $100B?! M…

Astronomical tariffs in some cases, trade wars and dramas, alienate all allies and from all of this they got only $130B ?

Maybe that was never the point. You present it as retaliation against 'countries that are out to get us'. Introduce the tariffs, companies pay the tariffs by increasing prices for consumers, get the inevitable loss in court, return the tariff money to the companies.

You just transferred $130B of wealth from citizens to companies.

Bonus: people are now used to the higher prices, so post-tariffs your profits are also higher.

Re: Judge orders government to begin refunding more than $130B in tariffs

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Absolutely absurd that we’re at this point. The courts / SCOTUS let the government roll out a massive and obviously illegal tax on citizens for a long time. They should have stepped in earlier. Now we the people probably don’t get our money back….

> probably Hah, we are 100% not getting our money back. And the higher, tariff level, prices aren't going to go back down either.

It is almost as if this was a planned wealth transfer that was immensely succesful.

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Cantor Fitzgerald, formerly led by Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and is now run by his son, went to various companies that were affected by tariffs and bought the rights to their potential tariff refunds for 20% of the value on the expectation that it'd be struck down by the courts. Now they stand to make huge returns of 3 to 5x for being correct on that bet, while, of course, consumers get nothing. Now if this i…

The executive class are out to get as much as they can as quickly as they can while the music plays, then retire to whatever luxury boltholt they can prepare. It's FIRE with private islands, and without even a figleaf of noblesse oblige any more.

Worse. They tend to stick around due to their inability to stop taking until they die.
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