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Post by CPLX »

vips7L wrote: post #297
slibhb wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What matters in the end is that this tech is not to empower a common person (although it could). How do you figure? 20 dollars/month is insanely cheap for what OpenAI/Anthropic/Google offer. That absolutely qualifies as "empowering a common person". It lowers barriers! A lot of the anti-AI sentiment on HN concerns people losing their jobs. I don't think this will happen: programmers who know what they're doing are…

> I don't think this will happen Block just laid off 40% of their company citing AI.

> Block just laid off 40% of their company

Because the company was being horribly run and over hired and "pivoted to blockchain" for no fucking reason.

> citing AI.

Because it's 2026 and they thought that would work to bullshit a few people about point one, which apparently it did.

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Post by Aurornis »

aosnsbbz wrote: post #182
forinti wrote: post #161

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Your comment made me think of the Japanese. They have a highly industrialised society, but they also value greatly hand-made products from food and clothes to woodwork and houses. And they also like to emphasise how long it takes for someone to become a master at a given trade.

It was really eye opening seeing they’re able to eat raw eggs and (to maybe a lesser degree of safety) raw chicken because their society requires high standards of cleanliness in food production. We are literal cattle over here in the states. Though, given Amodei and Altman’s behavior (along with the rest of the billionaire class) that shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.

You could eat raw eggs in most modern countries and be mostly fine. It’s not as uncommon as you would think. There are many drink recipes with raw eggs as an ingredient. You just happened to be exposed to it in Japan.

Eating raw chicken is risky even in Japan. There are cultures that eat raw chicken, pork, and other meat products by choice but it’s always a risk. There are outbreaks of serious food borne illness in Japan from raw chicken: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18406474/

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Post by raincole »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #271
raincole wrote: post #34

> Video games stand out as one market where consumers have pushed back effectively No, it's simply untrue. Players only object against AI art assets. And only when they're painfully obvious. No one cares about how the code is written. If you actually read the words used in Steam AI survey you'll know Steam has completely caved in for AI-gen code as well. It's specifically worded like this: > content such as artwork,…

No, it's simply untrue. Players only object against AI art assets. And only when they're painfully obvious. No one cares about how the code is written. This reminded me of a conversation about AI I had with an artist last year. She was furious and cursing and saying how awful it is for stealing from artists, but then admitted she uses it for writing descriptions and marketing posts to sell her art.

Sinix even explicitly says that AI is an IP theft machine but it's okay to use AI to generate 360 rotation video to market your 2D works[0].

To summarize this era we live in: my AI usage is justified but all the other people are generating slop.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8fFM6kjZUk

[1]: Disclaimer: I deeply respect Sinix as an art educator. If it weren't him I wouldn't have learnt digital painting. But it's still quite a weird take of him.

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Post by ModernMech »

wepple wrote: post #196
wolvesechoes wrote: post #155

I am bit tired of such discussions. I don't care if LLMs are good at coding or bad at it (in my experience the answer is "it depends"). I don't care how good are they at anything else. What matters in the end is that this tech is not to empower a common person (although it could). It is not here to make our lives better, more worthwhile, more satisfying (it could do these as well). It is there to reduce our agency, t…

> It is there to reduce our agency, to make it easier to fire us, to put us in even more precarious position Could be. It could also end up freeing us from every commercial dependency we have. Write your own OS, your own mail app, design your own machinery to farm with. It’s here, so I don’t know where you’re going with “I’m unhappy this is happening and someone should do something”

What happens when they decide it's a national security threat and an act of domestic terrorism to use AI to undermine commercial dependencies? We're all acting like AI isn't being invented within the context of and used by a fascist regime.

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Post by xerox13ster »

bombcar wrote: post #171
optionalsquid wrote: post #166

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> And it's used to power effect where you might not expect it (Stardew Valley mines). Apparently Stardew Valley's mines are not procedurally generated, but rather hand-crafted. Per their recent 10 year anniversary video, the developer did try to implement procedural generation for the mines, but ended up scrapping it: https://www.stardewvalley.net/stardew-valley-10-year-anniver...

They're quasi-generated with random elements and fixed elements - similarly to early Diablo procedural generation.

That’s not the same procedural generation as GPT or diffusion and you know it.

It’s not even in the same ballpark as Elite, NMS, terraria, or Minecraft.

The levels are all hand drawn, not generated by an algorithm, even if they’re shuffled. Eric Barone, the developer, has publicly said as much. Are you calling him a liar?

It’s like the difference between sudoku/crossword and conways game of life

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Post by slibhb »

vips7L wrote: post #297
slibhb wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What matters in the end is that this tech is not to empower a common person (although it could). How do you figure? 20 dollars/month is insanely cheap for what OpenAI/Anthropic/Google offer. That absolutely qualifies as "empowering a common person". It lowers barriers! A lot of the anti-AI sentiment on HN concerns people losing their jobs. I don't think this will happen: programmers who know what they're doing are…

> I don't think this will happen Block just laid off 40% of their company citing AI.

Tech companies have been laying off employees for a while now. I think it's mostly due to pandemic overhiring and higher interest rates but I suppose we'll see.

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Post by deltaburnt »

edgyquant wrote: post #259
foobarbecue wrote: post #130

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Hard agree. Before LLMs, if there was some bit of code needed across the industry, somebody would put the effort into writing a library and we'd all benefit. Now, instead of standardizing and working together we get a million slightly different incompatible piles of stochastic slop.

This was happening before llms in webdev

I don't think we should use webdev as an example of why lossy copy and paste works for the industry.

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Post by margalabargala »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #201
wepple wrote: post #196

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> It is there to reduce our agency, to make it easier to fire us, to put us in even more precarious position Could be. It could also end up freeing us from every commercial dependency we have. Write your own OS, your own mail app, design your own machinery to farm with. It’s here, so I don’t know where you’re going with “I’m unhappy this is happening and someone should do something”

> It could also end up freeing us from every commercial dependency we have Yeah, companies that develop and push this tech definitely have this in mind. > I don’t know where you’re going with “I’m unhappy this is happening and someone should do something I am not surprised because I didn't write anything like it.

> > I don’t know where you’re going with “I’m unhappy this is happening and someone should do something

> I am not surprised because I didn't write anything like it.

You're right, there was no "someone should do something" call to action in your original comment.

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Post by fwlr »

simonw wrote: post #216

Wait for the header animation to run and then hit the "play" button on the about page, it's very cool: https://acko.net/about (Worked in Firefox on macOS, doesn't seem to work in Mobile Safari)

Wow, you weren’t kidding. I spent some time seeing if I could spot where the transition from page to video was hidden, until I realized.

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Post by raincole »

FpUser wrote: post #230
raincole wrote: post #143

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Because code reuse is hard. Like, really hard. If it weren't we wouldn't be laughing at left-pad. If it weren't hard we wouldn't have so many front-end JavaScript frameworks. If it weren't Unreal wouldn't still have their own GC and std-like implementation today. Java wouldn't have been reinventing build system every five years. The whole history of programming tool is exploring how to properly reuse code: are functi…

>"well perhaps except the function vs object one" If this is what I think it is, I consider it very lopsided view, failure to recognize what model fits for what case and looking at everything from a hammer point of view

I think function is the fundamental unit and object is an extra level over it (it doesn't mean there is no use for object). Thinking objects/classes are the fundamental/minimal level is straight up wrong.

Of course it's just my opinion.

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