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Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by throawayonthe »

hbn wrote: post #198
jasomill wrote: post #166

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120 Hz vs 60 Hz? Night and day. Immediately noticeable just by moving the mouse pointer. Would expect improvements in scrolling to be apparent to even the most casual passers-by. 120 Hz can also noticeably improve frame pacing for 24p video*. 120 Hz vs 144 Hz? Barely noticeable when flipping between the two. Not sure if I'd pass an ABX test with 100% accuracy. Can't speak for 240 Hz or higher, as I haven't used them.…

> 120 Hz vs 60 Hz? Night and day. It's night and day when you're going back and forth between looking at them and wiggle your mouse around in circle. But after a few seconds of being focused on your work, you're not thinking about it anymore. Being able to watch 24fps video without non-integer frame weirdness is the only real advantage outside of twitch-reaction gaming.

i'm currently on a 60hz laptop screen and keep finding desktop switching and scrolling jarringly choppy, it's also harder to read while scrolling or panning around a map/pdf

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by LatencyKills »

jonpurdy wrote: post #191
LatencyKills wrote: post #150

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Oh man... I'm in the same situation wrt eyesight. Are you coding on the 4K tv? I have enough space to make that configuration work. TIA

Yep, 4K is plenty of resolution for me running Sequoia. But running at simulated 1920x1080@2x, as at native 4K text would be way too small.

Thank you!

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by cubefox »

zamadatix wrote: post #199
cubefox wrote: post #195

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So what? Any LCD also struggles with black levels. They have advantages and disadvantages. The point is more that Apple tries, like TV manufacturers, to hide the LCD designation by instead coming up with a creative but misleading acronym. "XDR" in this case. This never happens with OLED. Which shows that manufacturers believe that most people care more about black level contrast than maximum brightness.

So... it helps you understand that's the main selling point of the monitors is the range of brightness? XDR stands for "Extreme Dynamic Range" - not sure how that's misleading or why sticking "LCD" into the title helps anyone figure out what the features of the panel are as most LCDs have awful range. Using OLED directly in names works because OLED panels inherently have common features like blacks, contrast, and lac…

> So... it helps you understand that's the main selling point of the monitors is the range of brightness?

Doesn't help much because LCDs getting significantly brighter than OLEDs is normal.

> XDR stands for "Extreme Dynamic Range" - not sure how that's misleading or why sticking "LCD" into the title helps anyone figure out what the features of the panel are as most LCDs have awful range

The dynamic range of this LCD is still not necessarily higher than of an OLED because dynamic range depends both on maximal and minimal brightness. So "extreme dynamic range" is highly uninformative, while "OLED" or "LCD with local dimming", or something like that, wouldn't be.

XDR is simply a marketing term. Apple is doing the same thing here as TV manufacturers who come up with ever new fantasy acronyms.

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szmarczak wrote: post #290
xienze wrote: post #258

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That doesn’t sound very reassuring. 3205 hours, or a little over a year at 8 hours a day. Be generous and call it two years of use. You’re babying it with low brightness, dynamic dimming, etc. etc. and the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it”, is not a good sign.

I've been having it for 1y 4mo. > You’re babying it with low brightness That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in. > dynamic dimming Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults. > the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it” Again, this…

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Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by craftkiller »

szmarczak wrote: post #290
xienze wrote: post #258

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That doesn’t sound very reassuring. 3205 hours, or a little over a year at 8 hours a day. Be generous and call it two years of use. You’re babying it with low brightness, dynamic dimming, etc. etc. and the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it”, is not a good sign.

I've been having it for 1y 4mo. > You’re babying it with low brightness That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in. > dynamic dimming Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults. > the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it” Again, this…

I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. My current IPS monitor has been going strong for the past decade. I expect monitors to last at least that long. Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years.

Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0tmi/here_is_m...

And as a personal anecdote, I've experienced burn-in on my pixel 3a after 2 years. When switching to a full-screen solid grey, you could clearly see the bottom button bar with the home/back buttons.

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by szmarczak »

craftkiller wrote: post #305
szmarczak wrote: post #290

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I've been having it for 1y 4mo. > You’re babying it with low brightness That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in. > dynamic dimming Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults. > the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it” Again, this…

I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. My current IPS monitor has been going strong for the past decade. I expect monitors to last at least that long. Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years. Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0t…

> I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use.

Debatable, it's not what those content creators say, and I definitely wouldn't call it alarming if it requires you to stare at gray background in a dark room. It isn't even half as bad as IPS backlight bleeding or VA angles. Different people have different standards. You don't have to buy it if you don't like it.

> Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use

Pixel clean cannot run if the monitor is constantly receiving signal.

Also show me an IPS after 2 years of constant use. The backlight can degrade as well.

[edit] Furthermore, 3 year warranty covers your burn in, so I guess they would happily replace your monitor once the burn in normally visible. [/edit]

> Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years.

Feel free to ping my email (@gmail.com) at that time.

> I've experienced burn-in on my pixel 3a after 2 years

2019. My Nothing Phone 2 is from 2023. I've been having it for 1y 8mo+ and experienced zero burn in on the same gray test. For reference, I don't use automatic brightness and it's almost full-brightness all-day (except evenings).

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by szmarczak »

craftkiller wrote: post #305
szmarczak wrote: post #290

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I've been having it for 1y 4mo. > You’re babying it with low brightness That's the same brightness I was using on my IPS. And if you watched the videos then you'd know that those people use OLEDs at "almost max brightness" and see no burn in. > dynamic dimming Such features are unnoticeable during normal use and most of them are defaults. > the fact that there’s anything, even if you have to “look for it” Again, this…

I _have_ watched those videos and they show burn-in after an alarmingly short amount of use. My current IPS monitor has been going strong for the past decade. I expect monitors to last at least that long. Get back to us about your burn-in after 8.6 more years. Adding one more reference, here is a recent post to /r/monitors showing burn-in after 2 years of constant use: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1pf0t…

Also my gf used to use Samsung A40 which is also from 2019 and there's no burn in. The only issue I see is slow response times, however she upgraded in 2022 and again a few months ago.

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Post by jim180 »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #228
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #215

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So apple is just selling generic white labelled slop as a $5000 premium display?

> So apple is just selling generic white labelled slop There are only ~5 flat-panel manufacturers worldwide: AU Optronics, Innolux, LG Display, Samsung Display, Sharp Display, and recently BOE Display. Apple has to use one of these, even for its bespoke, notched, curved iPhone/iPad displays. This new 5K 2304-zone panel was developed by LG Display, and is not 'generic white-labelled slop' by any means. It is an extrem…

there is another differences between Apple monitors vs the rest. - standard and peak brightness[1]. All of them are less bright, than Apple's monitors. I'd really wanna know why.

MSI - 1400 nits, LG - 1250 nits, Apple - 2000 nits. That's peak brightness, standard brightness isn't even mentioned, except for Apple one. Is it just cooling or something more?

[1] https://www.ipsmonitor.com/news/msis-mpg-271kraw16-is-a-firs...

Re: Apple Studio Display and Studio Display XDR

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Post by jonpurdy »

JonathanFly wrote: post #205
jonpurdy wrote: post #128

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This is correct and also increasingly affecting me as my eyes age. I had to give my Studio Display to my wife because my eyes can't focus at a reasonable distance anymore, and if I moved back further the text was too small to read. I ran the 5K Studio Display at 4K scaled for a bit but it was noticeably blurry. This would've been easily solved with non-integer scaling, if Apple had implemented that. (I now use a comb…

> This is correct and also increasingly affecting me as my eyes age. I had to give my Studio Display to my wife because my eyes can't focus at a reasonable distance anymore, and if I moved back further the text was too small to read. > (I now use a combo of 4K TV 48" from ~1.5-2 metres back as well as a 4K 27" screen from 1 m away, depending on which room I want to work in. Angular resolution works out similarly (115…

Glasses would have been the "normal person" fix, but my eyes are great otherwise (better than 20/20 distance vision). So I could focus closer with glasses, but the lenses were worse quality than just sitting farther back.
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