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I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by robertjpayne »

nickysielicki wrote: post #237

This could kill Anthropic. The designation says any contractor, supplier, or partner doing business with the US military can’t conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. Well, AWS has JWCC. Microsoft has Azure Government. Google has DoD contracts. If that language is enforced broadly, then Claude gets kicked off Bedrock, Vertex, and potentially Azure… which is where all the enterprise revenue lives. Claude canno…

This will likely go to court, again as Dario has stated this is blatant retaliation as no US company has ever been designated a supply chain risk and they continue to operate on classified systems for 6 more months.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by thewebguyd »

nickysielicki wrote: post #237

This could kill Anthropic. The designation says any contractor, supplier, or partner doing business with the US military can’t conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic. Well, AWS has JWCC. Microsoft has Azure Government. Google has DoD contracts. If that language is enforced broadly, then Claude gets kicked off Bedrock, Vertex, and potentially Azure… which is where all the enterprise revenue lives. Claude canno…

Not entirely true.

The designation only applies to projects that touch the federal government, or software developed specifically for the federal government.

Contractors can still use Claude internally in their business, so long as it is not used in government work directly.

A complete ban would be adding Anthropic to the NDAA, which requires congress.

The DoD designation allows the DoD to make contractors certify that Anthropic is not used in the fulfillment of the government work.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by jeffparsons »

baxtr wrote: post #275
outside2344 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real question we should be asking is what others HAVE agreed to. Has OpenAI just agreed to let the government go crazy with their models?

Can someone in plain terms explain what this is really about? Anyone can use Claude afaik?

Claude won't answer questions about what cities you should nuke in what order. The Pentagon wants Claude to answer those sorts of questions for them.

Edit: oops, I misunderstood. This seems to be more about contractual restrictions.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by seanieb »

> "Effective immediately, no contractor, supplier, or partner that does business with the United States military may conduct any commercial activity with Anthropic."

Does this mean Azure & AWS will have to stop offering Claude as a model?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by ks2048 »

kilroy123 wrote: post #22

Strange times. I truly feel these are the last days of our Republic. Especially if more aren't willing to take a stand.

I'd say you're right, except that Trump is near death (maybe) and (more importantly) very unpopular.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by orbisvicis »

xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #109
kilroy123 wrote: post #22

Strange times. I truly feel these are the last days of our Republic. Especially if more aren't willing to take a stand.

To counter point, do you think AI companies located on our adversaries turf will take the same stand? I agree its nightmarish to think of AI surveillance. But why is that being lumped in with weaponry? I see these as two separate issues.

Do we need a "human in the loop" when targeting autonomous machines?

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by SatvikBeri »

tgma wrote: post #66
thewebguyd wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> completely understandable decision from a neutral third party PoV. Except it's not, really. If Anthropic/Claude doesn't mean the DoD's need, they can and should just put out an RFP for other LLM providers. I'm sure there's plenty of others that'd happily forgo their morals for that sweet government contract money. No US company has to provide services to the DoD or any other branch of government. It's not "veto pow…

I don't understand your point here. Looks like what you suggest is exactly what is happening. US government did not ban Anthropic from conducting business in the US. They just don't want them to influence their own supply chain, 100% legal as you say.

If the government just banned all government agencies from working with Anthropic, that would be reasonable. But they didn't. They're banning any company that works with the military from working with Anthropic in any way, using a law that has never been invoked against an American company.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by DavidPiper »

> Our position has never wavered and will never waver: the Department of War must have full, unrestricted access to Anthropic’s models for every LAWFUL purpose in defense of the Republic.

Kesha tried to hug Jerry Seinfeld vibes.

> Anthropic delivered a master class in arrogance and betrayal as well as a textbook case of how not to do business with the United States Government or the Pentagon.

Strange way of saying "this vendor doesn't meet our software requirements".

> they have attempted to strong-arm the United States military into submission

Err... You approached them?

> a cowardly act of corporate virtue-signaling that places Silicon Valley ideology above American lives.

It's an orthogonal point, but "Silicon Valley ideology" has made up a significant portion of the USA's GDP for the last however many years.

> Their true objective is unmistakable: to seize veto power over the operational decisions of the United States military. That is unacceptable.

Again... You approached them?

> I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a Supply-Chain Risk to National Security.

Like most companies in the world I imagine. They just haven't been approached yet.

> to allow for a seamless transition to a better and more patriotic service.

Internally re-framing all the recent "EU moving away from American tech!" articles as "EU builds more patriotic services!"

> This decision is final.

Nothing says "final" like a Tweet. The most uncontroversial and binding mechanism of all communication.

Re: I am directing the Department of War to designate Anthropic a supply-chain risk

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

The whole thing is fascinating. In my heart of heart, in principle, I want models to be essentially unrestricted, but I still find it somewhat problematic that government thinks it can say: you will make adjust your product to match our exact expectations even if you don't sign an updated contract with us. Odd stuff. I know they are trotting out War powers, but.. well.. we are not at war ( at least not yet or at least not yet officially declared.. ).
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