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Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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As someone who is potentially their client and not domestic , really reassuring that they have no concerns with mass spying peaceful citizens of my particular corner of the world.

Is there a different AI company that IS taking that stance?

Because as far as I know, Anthropic is taking the most moral stance of any AI company.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic doesn't forbid DoW from using the models for foreign surveillance. It's not about harming others, it's about doing what is best for humanity in the long run, all things considered. I personally do not believe that foreign surveillance is automatically harmful and I'm fine with our military doing it

If we are talking about what's best for humanity in the long run.. thinking about human values in general, what makes American citizens uniquely deserving of privacy rights, in ways that citizens of other countries are not? Snowden revealed that every single call on Bahamas were being monitored by NSA [1]. That was in 2013. How would this be any worse if it were US citizens instead? (Note, I myself am not an US citiz…

This isn't about privacy rights, it's about war

I'm not suggesting that Anthropics models should be used by foreign governments for domestic surveillance

I'm not worried about foreign governments spying on Americans, as long as the US government is aligned. I'm worried about my own government becoming misaligned

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I think it's phrased just fine. It's not up to Dario to try to make absolute statements about the future.

How about the present and his personal beliefs? "I believe deeply in the existential importance of using AI to defend the United States and other democracies, and to defeat our autocratic adversaries." This reads like his objection is not on "autocratic", but on "adversaries". Autocratic friends & family are cool with him. A clear wink to a certain administration with autocratic tendencies.

Some people can’t help themselves to read this like a Ouija board.

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I was reading halfway thru and one line struck a nerve with me: > But today, frontier AI systems are simply not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons. So not today, but the door is open for this after AI systems have gathered enough "training data"? Then I re-read the previous paragraph and realized it's specifically only criticizing > AI-driven domestic mass surveillance And neither denounces partially a…

I think it's phrased just fine. It's not up to Dario to try to make absolute statements about the future.

He does it all the time.

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I was reading halfway thru and one line struck a nerve with me: > But today, frontier AI systems are simply not reliable enough to power fully autonomous weapons. So not today, but the door is open for this after AI systems have gathered enough "training data"? Then I re-read the previous paragraph and realized it's specifically only criticizing > AI-driven domestic mass surveillance And neither denounces partially a…

> And neither denounces partially autonomous mass surveillance nor closes the door on AI-driven foreign mass surveillance

You have to be deliberately naive in a world where five eyes exists to somehow believe that "foreign" mass surveillance won't be used domestically.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I used to work at Anthropic, and I wrote a comment on a thread earlier this week about the RSP update [1]. It's enheartening to see that leaders at Anthropic are willing to risk losing their seat at the table to be guided by values. Something I don't think is well understood on HN is how driven by ideals many folks at Anthropic are, even if the company is pragmatic about achieving their goals. I have strong signal th…

mark my words, they will burn at some point. The government can nationalize it at any moment if they desire.

Imagine the government trying to force AI researchers to advance, lmao

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like the government is treating this like the near term weapon it actually is and, unlike the Manhattan project, the government seems to have little to no control.

Note that they always attempt to exert control they don’t have. They’re always bluffing, and they keep losing. Respond accordingly.

Paper tigers

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's phrased just fine. It's not up to Dario to try to make absolute statements about the future.

How about the present and his personal beliefs? "I believe deeply in the existential importance of using AI to defend the United States and other democracies, and to defeat our autocratic adversaries." This reads like his objection is not on "autocratic", but on "adversaries". Autocratic friends & family are cool with him. A clear wink to a certain administration with autocratic tendencies.

Western liberal ideals are better than the opposite. It is misanthropic to build autocratic societies.

Re: Statement from Dario Amodei on our discussions with the Department of War

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I was concerned originally when I heard that Anthropic, who often professed to being the "good guy" AI company who would always prioritize human welfare, opted to sell priority access to their models to the Pentagon in the first place. The devil's advocate position in their favor I imagine would be that they believe some AI lab would inevitably be the one to serve the military industrial complex, and overall it's bet…

So your stance is that anything military-related is immoral?
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