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Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by intrasight »

SoftTalker wrote: post #295
mikestorrent wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

Was doing sortable-and-filterable tables in the browser without a server round-trip 20 years ago using XML/XSLT and not thousands of lines of JS but something on the order of dozens.

So true. I still do that in an enterprise app that I wrote.

I know that Chrome pulling the plug on XSLT in the browser is imminent - so how are you refactoring?

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Post by ssl-3 »

alpaca128 wrote: post #294
ssl-3 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange. On PC, I use Firefox with the uBlock Origin extension and I see no ads on Youtube. Same with my pocket supercomputer: Firefox works great on Android, including for Youtube. And it uses extensions like the PC version does. No ads there, either. On the BFT in the living room, I have a Google-manufactuered Google TV device. It runs SmartTube, and displays no ads on Youtube. I even have an iPad that I use primar…

I also use Firefox with uBlock Origin. It worked flawlessly until some time this January. It happened with the switch to a new version of the video player which changed the design and behaviour. I'd be curious if you're still on the old version or something else is different. Roughly in that timeframe YT also successfully blocked downloads with yt-dlp for a bit. Seems like they're trying harder now because of AI scra…

On PC, it looks like I'm using this, from the end of January: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases/tag/1.69.0

And also this, from a couple of weeks ago: https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/147.0.4/releasenotes/ (with Linux, but that probably doesn't matter at all)

And that's about it. I recently pruned some other Firefox extensions while troubleshooting ompletely unrelated issues, and all that's left is uBlock Oorigin, Dark Reader, and BitWarden.

Seriously, I've had no recent issues with Youtube ads at all and certainly none in January or February of this year. It's been smooth-enough for me on all of the platforms I mentioned before (and I use them all quite a lot, except perhaps for the BFT).

I wonder what's different on your end?

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by keeda »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

This is why I miss Windows Phone. My $35 Lumia with 512 MB of RAM was infinitely smoother and faster than the 2GB Samsung Galaxy flagship phone I had, and of comparable fluidity to the so-much-more-expensive iPhones with 2GB RAM.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by Henchman21 »

intrasight wrote: post #293
mikestorrent wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

> The web was a mistake I wouldn't say that. The web had done way more good than harm overall. What I would say is that embedding the internet (and its tracking and spyware and dark patterns that have gain prominence) into every single application that we use is what is at fault. The web browser that we built in 1990 was all on-premise obviously. And it had a very different architecture than HTTP. There were two proc…

The Internet and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the surveillance we endure for those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.

You know, or something.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by charcircuit »

teeray wrote: post #165
al_borland wrote: post #140

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From everything I’ve seen, LLMs aren’t exactly known for writing extremely optimized code. Also, what happens to the stability and security of my phone after they let an LLM loose on the entire code base for a weekend? There are 1.5 billion iPhones out there. It’s not a place to play fast and loose with bleeding edge tech known for hallucinations and poor architecture.

> LLMs aren’t exactly known for writing extremely optimized code. They are trained on everything, and as a result write code like the Internet average developer.

>write code like the Internet average developer

Before post training (GPT3 2020 class models). Post training makes it no longer act like the average.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by bsoles »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #8

Somehow, with 12GB of RAM, I can't get my iPhone 17 Pro to keep more than a few safari tabs open without having them refresh when I come back from an app or two, and it makes me want to throw my phone across the train (Where the internet often cuts out!). A lot of software has been squandering the massive hardware gains that have been made. I hope this changes when it becomes a lot harder to throw hardware at the pro…

Back in the day, I was running AutoCAD on a 386 PC. Now, a single Firefox tab consumes 500MB of memory. That is progress for us.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by alpaca128 »

ssl-3 wrote: post #303
alpaca128 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also use Firefox with uBlock Origin. It worked flawlessly until some time this January. It happened with the switch to a new version of the video player which changed the design and behaviour. I'd be curious if you're still on the old version or something else is different. Roughly in that timeframe YT also successfully blocked downloads with yt-dlp for a bit. Seems like they're trying harder now because of AI scra…

On PC, it looks like I'm using this, from the end of January: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases/tag/1.69.0 And also this, from a couple of weeks ago: https://www.firefox.com/en-US/firefox/147.0.4/releasenotes/ (with Linux, but that probably doesn't matter at all) And that's about it. I recently pruned some other Firefox extensions while troubleshooting ompletely unrelated issues, and all that's left is uBloc…

Huh, I think I figured it out. It now works again after removing the extension "Return YouTube Dislikes" which I had just kept around because why not.

Turns out if both this and uBlock are active, YouTube will refuse to work. But only uBlock works just fine.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by asdff »

ranguna wrote: post #290
asdff wrote: post #262

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Maybe for fortnite players. If you just call/text/email whats the point in upgrading? At this point I pretty much just ride out whatever iphone se I happen upon on deep discount until Apple finally walls me off from the OS version I need to access my bank account (thanks to very helpful flow of bank website forcing app store redirect to their app for mobile users). Then it's on to the next se. Now that I think on it…

Strange comparison. If you just call, text and check on bank apps, then the market is not for you. Just buy a used phone from 10 years ago. It's like saying why should you get a new gaming laptop to replace your 6 year old current gaming laptop, when all you do is office work. If all you do is office work, why buy a gaming laptop at all? Just use a standard okish smartphone or tablet.

Who are these phones even for? I see people out in public and all they do with their phone is scroll instagram reels or ticktock. They need all this horsepower for that? I don't think so either. This is why I brought up fortnight because gaming is one example where there probably is a marked difference in frames per second between models. But 99% of people are probably just looking at images and videos and text on their smartphone, pretty low stakes stuff.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

mikestorrent wrote: post #178
intrasight wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really nuts how much RAM and CPU have been squandered. In, 1990, I worked on a networked graphical browser for nuclear plants. Sun workstations had 32 mb memory. We had a requirement that the infographic screens paint in less that 2 seconds. Was a challenge but doable. Crazy thing is that computers have 1000x the memory and like 10,000x the CPU and it would still be a challenge to paints screens in 2 seconds.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

These feel like all the things a proper "Web 3.0" should have solved. We have decades of lessons learned that we could apply with a soft reboot to how we envision the web.

Instead it's just piling on a dozen layers of dependencies. Webassembly feels like the only real glimmer of what the "next generation" could have been like.

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