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Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by ninjagoo »

nucleative wrote: post #176
bethekind wrote: post #15

This is draconian. > Our investigation specifically confirmed that the use of your credentials within the third-party tool “open claw” for testing purposes constitutes a violation of the Google Terms of Service [1]. This is due to the use of Antigravity servers to power a non-Antigravity product. I must be transparent and inform you that, in accordance with Google’s policy, this situation falls under a zero tolerance…

I cannot de-Google fast enough. So if I ask Google's AI studio the wrong question, I might get my G-drive, Gmail, API access, Play store, YouTube channel, "login with Google" tokens, and more all ripped away instantly with no recourse? No thanks

Google is a company well down the path of enshittification, they even got rid of their motto "Don't be evil".

As a consumer, you're better served by using services from companies earlier in that lifecycle, where value accrues to you, and that's not Google, and likely not many other big providers.

When those newer companies turn, you switch. Do not allow yourself to get locked into an ecosystem. It's hard work, but it will pay dividends in the long run.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by __w1kke___ »

MattDaEskimo wrote: post #25

I'm very confused here. The monthly plans are meant to be used inside of Google's walled garden, but people are somehow able to capture (?) and re-use the oAuth token? Regardless, I thought it was pretty obvious that things like OpenClaw require an API account, and not a subsidized monthly plan.

No - use OpenAI, no problem. OpenAI wins here big time.

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Post by j16sdiz »

sebmellen wrote: post #223
peter422 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is funny that my first reaction to your post was that you are crazy, but then I looked at his comment history and you are completely right. Boy this is not a good development. I don’t want to spend my time reading AI generated comments.

It’s so weird, right? Clearly this comment relevant to the tool the profile is selling as a kind of ‘submarine’ ad… profile was created 53 days ago (so no green tag) but only started commenting in earnest 12 hours ago (almost as if the account was farmed). And the comment is full of AI tropes that seem highly generated.

> started commenting in earnest 12 hours ago ...

I would skip my sleep and do the same when I found out someone is wrong on the internet!

https://xkcd.com/386/

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by gck1 »

Kiboneu wrote: post #18
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And put it on what? A NAS where a buggy vendor update (or just having it stolen) also has no recourse?

A hard drive.

Sorry, AI companies have bought all the hard drives for years 2026 and 7. And RAM. And SSDs.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by ninjagoo »

wanderingmind wrote: post #268
adithyassekhar wrote: post #222

Edit: I have misread some of the comments here, he didn't lose access to his whole account and data just the antigravity part. I should've done my due diligence, get out of bed and spent more time thinking instead of emotionally reacting. Guess the rage machine got me as well. Damn. I think this thread might be hijacked by ai bros. The main point still stands, google is part of a duopoly that runs the world. You can'…

Best way to deal with this is take them to small claims court. If enough people do this, They have to send representations that will cost them enough to stop such nonsense.

They have binding arbitration clauses in their Terms of "Service". I don't know if you can actually take them to small claims court.

They got rid of their "Don't be evil" motto for a reason, after all.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by lukeschlather »

gck1 wrote: post #259
hsaliak wrote: post #245

Google's Pro service (no idea about ultra and I have no intention to find out) is riddled with 429s. They have generous quotas for sure, but they really give you very low priority. For example, I still dont have access to Gemini 3.1 from that endpoint. It's completely uncharacteristic of Google. I analyzed 6k HTTP requests on the Pro account, 23% of those were hit with 429s. (Though not from Gemini-CLI, but from my o…

> Yes the models are smart, but you really cant "build things" despite the marketing if you actively beat back your users for trying I think this is the most important takeaway from this thread and at some point, this will end up biting Google and Anthropic back. OpenAI seems to have realized this and is actively trying to do the opposite. They welcomed OpenCode the same day Anthropic banned them, X is full of tweets…

My impression is there's a definite shortage of GPUs, and if OpenAI is more reliable it's because they have fewer customers relative to the number of GPUs they have. I don't think Google is handing out 429s because they are worried about overspending; I think it's because they literally cannot serve the requests.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by j16sdiz »

sxp wrote: post #150

Ironically, Gemini says that it’s OK to use the Ultraplan for OpenClaw via gemini-cli because the Ultra plan has some API & Cloud credits baked into it. I think $100/mo but I can never figure out how Google billing works. I’ve pasted the response I got when I was asking it about OpenClaw. There is legal precedent for an AI hallucination being used to upload a contract (e.g, an AI customer support for an airline made…

afaict, OpenClaw use gemini-cli for oauth, then bypassing gemini-cli and do the call directly.

Re: Google restricting Google AI Pro/Ultra subscribers for using OpenClaw

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Post by oofbey »

hsaliak wrote: post #245

Google's Pro service (no idea about ultra and I have no intention to find out) is riddled with 429s. They have generous quotas for sure, but they really give you very low priority. For example, I still dont have access to Gemini 3.1 from that endpoint. It's completely uncharacteristic of Google. I analyzed 6k HTTP requests on the Pro account, 23% of those were hit with 429s. (Though not from Gemini-CLI, but from my o…

I’ve often suspected these models of getting dumber when the service is under high load. But I’ve never seen actually measured results or proof. Anybody know of real published data here?

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Post by cyberax »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #287
cyberax wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Offering goods or services below the cost of their production is often illegal, though. It's called "dumping". Although in this case it's probably impossible to define, given the complexity of calculating the true cost of tokens.

This obviously cannot be true, otherwise Costco would have been sued to oblivion for “dumping” their rotisserie chickens.

Costco gets to sidestep a lot of regulations because they technically are a private club with paid membership. The US anti-monopoly laws are also unusually weak.

In other countries, selling a $7 chicken if it's subsidized by the sale of other goods can indeed be illegal.

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