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Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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It's worth keeping in mind that Loops is made by dansup which has also made and runs Pixelfed, FediDB, and has a history of being hostile to developers. You can see the recounting of his hostility at https://dansup-open-letter.github.io/appendix/ (I'm not a signature of the open letter)

yeah he has a long history of saying dumb shit in public and then trying to cover his tracks.

also, having had to figure out some of the Pixelfed code for previous projects, i wonder if he's up to the task of maintaining any of this once the next shiny thing comes along. Fedi software has a lot of quirks in general (comes with the nearly nonexistent budgets) but as a representative issue, the dude managed to build a photo blogging service with no way to export or back up your photos and that hasn't been fixed in seven years.

ultimately, though, if we ignore software quality and developer reputation, Loops is going to live or die based on whether anyone on Fedi actually wants to make short-form video. given existing Fedi culture, plus how expensive it can be to produce and how the RoI is basically zero, i don't think we're going to see much native to Fedi. some might get crossposted by TikTok/Shorts/Reels creators that want a backup location that won't get erased the second someone makes a spurious copyright claim, but i suspect we're just going to see a few months of stolen TikToks and then not much after that.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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.. ah, yes, "completely unmoderated free speech system that supports images" does mean "may contain CSAM". Heck, even Instagram had a horrific "mirror world" incident where the moderation bit got flipped on a number of images which ordinary users were exposed to. I wouldn't run any kind of publishing system for anons myself. It's potentially valuable for an actual social group though.

I mean... reddit also defended that. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19975375 > Social news site Reddit will not censor "distasteful" sections of its website, its chief executive has said. jailbait, upskirt, etc. were all huge subreddits back then.

Yes. People that run these things often start from a libertarian presumption that everything should be allowed. Then they find out what's actually illegal. Then the stuff that's not strictly illegal but incredibly antisocial, causing pushback. Then the age verification wave as various countries and states get fed up with the easy availability of porn to minors. And so on.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Heroin is illegal, so the first step to make this analogy work is to criminalize TikTok.

Long overdue in fact. But then perhaps heroin wouldn’t be illegal if it was big pharma was producing it in large quantities. It just got barred early enough. Besides why we always forget how addictive and damaging is the well available alcohol?

That was the Purdue Pharma scandal: legal opiates.

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I briefly hosted a Lemmy server on my machine just to see how it works and my god never again. The pictures that were automatically synced to my machine did not only make me lose faith in humanity, but it made me shut down and wipe my machine immediately because I was terrified that some of those images would land me some serious jail time. So if you choose to host something like this, be very aware that there are so…

What's fucked up is that entities like Meta and OpenAI are likely to already have tons of "other people's snuff" in their datastores. Yet they're not the ones at risk of being swatted; individual rebroadcasters are.

Even though you want nothing to do with those images in the first place, while Big Social is intentionally keeping the stuff around "for science", yeah right.

Consider how some Muslim cultures have sidestepped this issue by banning representational imagery altogether; while the Russians just sent telegrams.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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This project would love some additional support. If you're a developer who is interested in building this... please get in touch with them, the team is VERY small so you can do some good by just supporting them.

No disrespect to the project, but it is a bit hard to find motivation to contribute to something that will most likely end up being used by like 100 people who'll all just post videos about how they're better than Tiktok users

This looks like a shallow dismissal to me.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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I love love love how you deny people both their enjoyment and their dignity. You are a truly moral person; I hope you have numerous progeny.

> I love love love how you deny people both their enjoyment and their dignity. You are a truly moral person; I hope you have numerous progeny. Only enjoyment from drugs, they're free to do it with dignity without enjoyment.

The point is, you don't have a say in this.

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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yes, a lot of the issues around this come because of the lack of dignity.

Both in the case of drugs and short form vertical video. There's a lot of stuff which may loosely be termed "vices", e.g. alcohol and gambling, which have the property: - many people never touch - many people indulge without significant harm, getting enjoyment from the process - some people over indulge messily - a few people get their lives completely ruined, or ruin the lives of those around them Then there's an un…

To be fair, sobriety has the same property; so does feature-length landscape-oriented cinema; so does involvement in religious and political affairs.

Many things that people get up to ostensibly "of their own accord" have these four groups of outcomes, in different proportions. Makes you figure.

I'm of the opinion that the main problem has always been the increasing powerlessness of the individual in the face of mass social phenomena that camouflage as "your life now" but are instead someone's viral PR campaign. In Germany this stuff passed in 10ish years, in Russia it passed in 80ish; California still countin'

Re: Loops is a federated, open-source TikTok

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Long overdue in fact. But then perhaps heroin wouldn’t be illegal if it was big pharma was producing it in large quantities. It just got barred early enough. Besides why we always forget how addictive and damaging is the well available alcohol?

Alcohol has fucked up more lives than any other drug in my sphere. People who have had their life fucked by drugs has mostly been because of inhumane government intervention. // Sweden

Yeah the legal thing used by people many magnitudes more than hard illegal drugs had an effect on more people than something used by a relatively small minority will impact more people you know.

How many heroin users do you know who manage to only have 1-2 hits a week socially though and hold down a career.

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The world could do with a decent, privacy focused, YouTube competitor. Maybe this could grow into that?

Who is going to pay for the video bandwidth?

WebTorrents make it work so that everyone shares the cost of distribution.
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