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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by Bender »

ifwinterco wrote: post #196
jimnotgym wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> except small roads in the countryside you are potentially being tracked by ANPR. They do put them specifically whereever those roads join major roads though. Meanwhile the crime stats in the UK make chilling reading, as the focus on replacing Police officers with cameras, replacing courts with... nothing has lead to many crimes skyrocketing, especially those that are not associated with driving a car. https://www.o…

Yep, I mean "proper" countryside - I grew up out in the villages (all little B roads and unclassified roads) and it's still like the Wild West out there really. A lot of people still habitually drink drive (not getting completely smashed, but a few pints at a country pub then drive home) and realistically as long as you don't crash you could do that for decades and probably get away with it. There's almost no cameras…

There's almost no cameras and also almost no actual police

That is starting to change. Porch pirates incentivized a lot of people to invest in cameras and placing them in discrete locations. Some are getting clever making them look like owl nest boxes on poles, bird feeders and other benign boring objects.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by tencentshill »

monero-xmr wrote: post #59
odie5533 wrote: post #57

Flock cameras are assisted suicide for dying neighborhoods. They don't prevent crime, they record crime. Cleaning up vacant lots, planting trees, street lighting, trash removal, and traffic calming like adding planters and crosswalks reduce crime.

The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

You can get video evidence without sending it to a massive, opaque national database of non-suspects.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by tencentshill »

kdogkshd wrote: post #26

If you're in the bay area, on Monday at 6:30 there's a mountain view city council meeting where flock is on the agenda. If this surveillance bothers you, show up!!

Always trust anonymous accounts to tell you how to organize!

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Post by impendia »

polski-g wrote: post #286
odie5533 wrote: post #115

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We spend $80 billion a year on incarceration in the US, and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Your plan increases both. Do you honestly think that if we spend $160 billion or $240 billion a year and double or triple our incarcerated population that we'd solve crime? Look at places and countries with low crime. They don't have the most Flock cameras, the most prisoners, or the most powerful surveillanc…

I was at work the other day and we were talking about my mouse problem in my basement. My coworker asked how many mouse traps I had. I said 74. 74?! That's way to many mouse traps. No one would ever need that many mouse traps. But sir, I haven't told you how many mice I have. The number of incarcerated individuals is not a relevant statistic if you're also not including the number of criminals there are.

Are they working?

If your 74 traps solve your problem and in a month you have no more mice, then congratulations.

But it sounds like rather than buying more and more mouse traps, you should find and fix the underlying cause.

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Post by mattmanser »

pandaman wrote: post #194
alexpotato wrote: post #183

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Reminds me of the story about Aeroflot (Soviet National airline) and hijackings - Aeroflot flights get hijacked and flown to West Berlin - Soviets decided to put Spetsnaz (Soviet special forces) on the planes much like we have Air Marshals today - Spetsnaz figures "we have guns and are on the plane already" so they start hijacking flights - So Soviets put TWO Spetsnaz teams on the flight - Team 1 decides to hijack fl…

Which Aeroflot flights were hijacked and flown to West Berlin? I've never heard of this. Funny though that Windows Copilot believes this happened and says that: "On December 12, 1978, two Soviet citizens hijacked an Aeroflot Yak‑40 on a domestic route and forced it to fly to West Berlin’s Tempelhof Airport, which was under U.S. control." But then, when asked about any reference to this event, gives this: "1. LOT Poli…

I once called my Dad out about Chinese nationalists setting bombs on ships in the 60s. He reckoned his ship had come to the rescue of one where they'd found a bomb and the command crew had posed with it for a photo and it had gone off, killing or wounding all the crew capable of actually navigating the ship.

No mention on Wikipedia of these terrorist activities, nothing in the history I could find online. He was a bit of a tall tale teller so I called him out on it.

He was quite upset and ended up showing me his ship log book. With the ship name and the rough date, I actually found two news articles that had been scanned by Google scholar conforming that it had really happened.

I bet there's a lot we don't know that happened behind the iron curtain, I wouldn't doubt this just because you can't easily find any references with a quick Google.

If you want the rest of how they saved the ship, they tried to get a junior officer over in a sort of swing. If they'd have succeeded they'd have actually all been entitled to a salvage payment. But it was too rough so in the end they just got the other ship to follow them back to port.

When the pilot came out to dock the ship, he found another bomb.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1734&dat=19661114&id=F...

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Post by swed420 »

drumttocs8 wrote: post #260
odie5533 wrote: post #57

Flock cameras are assisted suicide for dying neighborhoods. They don't prevent crime, they record crime. Cleaning up vacant lots, planting trees, street lighting, trash removal, and traffic calming like adding planters and crosswalks reduce crime.

You are hitting on the fundamental difference in political views. Half of this country believes problems are systemic and can be fixed. The other half believes they are a natural consequence of culture, race, and invisible flying creatures that tempt you to do bad things.

> Half of this country believes problems are systemic and can be fixed.

So then why don't they vote for the party that offers systemic solutions? Oh, right, because neither corporate party offers such.

We can't elect systemic solutions when the election and education processes are systemically hijacked by capital interests.

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Post by cmxch »

DonHopkins wrote: post #249
stavros wrote: post #21

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Why would I fly an expensive drone close to a camera, fumble about for a minute trying to get it painted like a renaissance artist, when I can get a paintball gun for much less?

Mitch Altman should make a "Flock-B-Gone". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV-B-Gone

Palantir makes a nice Vandal-B-Gone product too. Works a treat for linking vandals to Flock camera crime incidents.

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Post by FrankBooth »

bigiain wrote: post #264
sdkfjhdsjk wrote: post #224

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I remember reading about that back in the 90s as a kid here in the USA, in Action Pursuit Games magazine. They said semi-automatic paintball guns were illegal in Australia. I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that? Meanwhile at the local paintball field I remember this hillbilly had a fully automatic Angel when they came out. (The first electronic paintball gun.) He walked over to the treeline and emptied a…

> I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that? Cynical answer: Not the kind of hellhole dystopia that has schoolkids shooting up schools twice a week.

How’s the surf at Bondi?

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Post by pandaman »

mattmanser wrote: post #305
pandaman wrote: post #194

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Which Aeroflot flights were hijacked and flown to West Berlin? I've never heard of this. Funny though that Windows Copilot believes this happened and says that: "On December 12, 1978, two Soviet citizens hijacked an Aeroflot Yak‑40 on a domestic route and forced it to fly to West Berlin’s Tempelhof Airport, which was under U.S. control." But then, when asked about any reference to this event, gives this: "1. LOT Poli…

I once called my Dad out about Chinese nationalists setting bombs on ships in the 60s. He reckoned his ship had come to the rescue of one where they'd found a bomb and the command crew had posed with it for a photo and it had gone off, killing or wounding all the crew capable of actually navigating the ship. No mention on Wikipedia of these terrorist activities, nothing in the history I could find online. He was a bi…

West Berlin was a part of Germany under US/UK/French occupation, I have not heard anybody referring to it as being "behind the iron curtain" before. What would be the reason for the above countries to completely erase multiple hijackings of Aeroflot planes from history? While still popularizing other hijackings, to the point of making a Hollywood movie about the LOT flight I've mentioned [1]. And why the Soviet Union would have joined the West in this conspiracy, while being open about other hijackings (mostly attempted)?

The story is ridiculous on its face: why fly to West Berlin where you'd need to get another flight to get anywhere? The popular targets of hijackers in the USSR were Turkey, Israel and Sweden. "Spetsnaz" is not some organization, it's just an abbreviation of "special designation" similar to English "spec-op", multiple military and law enforcement organizations have their own specnaz as they had in the USSR. Aeroflot was not one of them though, its flights were protected by the "air militia" - a department of the Ministry of the Interior, which was also in charge of the airports security. And, judging by multiple hijacking attempts, there were rarely armed agents on the plane or they rarely decided to engage, which makes sense, since fights on a flying plane would put lives of all passengers into mortal danger. Putting TWO teams of armed soldiers on each plane is something only an LLM could hallucinate in my humble opinion.

1. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095415

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Post by butlike »

mattmanser wrote: post #305
pandaman wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which Aeroflot flights were hijacked and flown to West Berlin? I've never heard of this. Funny though that Windows Copilot believes this happened and says that: "On December 12, 1978, two Soviet citizens hijacked an Aeroflot Yak‑40 on a domestic route and forced it to fly to West Berlin’s Tempelhof Airport, which was under U.S. control." But then, when asked about any reference to this event, gives this: "1. LOT Poli…

I once called my Dad out about Chinese nationalists setting bombs on ships in the 60s. He reckoned his ship had come to the rescue of one where they'd found a bomb and the command crew had posed with it for a photo and it had gone off, killing or wounding all the crew capable of actually navigating the ship. No mention on Wikipedia of these terrorist activities, nothing in the history I could find online. He was a bi…

So pandaman is good and mattmanser is part of the same AI slop disinformation campaign as alexpotato. Got it.
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