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There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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bryanlarsen wrote: post #296
spwa4 wrote: post #274

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India and China are doing just that. How are they doing that, you ask? Switching to coal ... India's adding 80GW of coal, and China having 95GW planned and building.

India added 9GW of coal and 40GW of solar. China added 91GW of coal and 315GW of solar. They're getting most of their new power from solar and running coal only at night.

I don't understand your argument. You agree they're increasing coal use? Besides, anyone wanting to know the state of coal use just needs to go to Youtube, search "Bejing" or "Delhi" air quality and ample evidence of what's happening and the effects will come forward in 1000 different voices.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by bryanlarsen »

spwa4 wrote: post #301
bryanlarsen wrote: post #296

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India added 9GW of coal and 40GW of solar. China added 91GW of coal and 315GW of solar. They're getting most of their new power from solar and running coal only at night.

I don't understand your argument. You agree they're increasing coal use? Besides, anyone wanting to know the state of coal use just needs to go to Youtube, search "Bejing" or "Delhi" air quality and ample evidence of what's happening and the effects will come forward in 1000 different voices.

A comparison of Beijing air quality between 2020 and 2025 will show drastic differences -- it's gotten much better.

China's coal usage is relatively flat. They've increased their capacity, but they've been decreasing their capacity factor (aka what percentage of the time the plants are running) at approximately the same rate. They used to run their plants 24/7. Now they run only at night. They've started adding batteries to the grid so in the future the coal plants will only run after a stretch of cloudy days.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by spwa4 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #302
spwa4 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand your argument. You agree they're increasing coal use? Besides, anyone wanting to know the state of coal use just needs to go to Youtube, search "Bejing" or "Delhi" air quality and ample evidence of what's happening and the effects will come forward in 1000 different voices.

A comparison of Beijing air quality between 2020 and 2025 will show drastic differences -- it's gotten much better. China's coal usage is relatively flat. They've increased their capacity, but they've been decreasing their capacity factor (aka what percentage of the time the plants are running) at approximately the same rate. They used to run their plants 24/7. Now they run only at night. They've started adding batte…

The data I'm finding says that it's still increasing, especially in India. They expect it to start dropping in 2028-2030 due to the buildouts you're mentioning but for now that isn't happening.

Claim is that it's about strategic safety for both countries. Coal is easy, and they have plenty of it (unlike oil, which neither have in any quantity).

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by bryanlarsen »

spwa4 wrote: post #303
bryanlarsen wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A comparison of Beijing air quality between 2020 and 2025 will show drastic differences -- it's gotten much better. China's coal usage is relatively flat. They've increased their capacity, but they've been decreasing their capacity factor (aka what percentage of the time the plants are running) at approximately the same rate. They used to run their plants 24/7. Now they run only at night. They've started adding batte…

The data I'm finding says that it's still increasing, especially in India. They expect it to start dropping in 2028-2030 due to the buildouts you're mentioning but for now that isn't happening. Claim is that it's about strategic safety for both countries. Coal is easy, and they have plenty of it (unlike oil, which neither have in any quantity).

They're doing both solar and coal because of security. They're doing 5X as much solar than they are of coal because solar is cheaper. They're doing the coal because the need something for the night. But now that batteries are becoming cheaper than coal for that, they'll do more batteries and less coal.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by alt227 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #283
alt227 wrote: post #268

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Yeah, I wonder how fast Chicxulub affected the earth when the majority of large dinosaurs were wiped out. The earth survived and evolved another set of new large animal masters. The beauty and diversity of nature we see around us has all evolved after several extinction level events which have all very rapidly killed ecosystems and changed the earths climate. It will do the same again after all humans are gone. This…

Wikipedia says 5,000 - 10,000 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_e...

I see you have cherry picked a very specific date range from that paragraph. Quite clearly missing the statement:

> "the period of global darkness following the Chicxulub impact would have persisted in the Hell Creek Formation nearly 2 years"

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by alt227 »

triceratops wrote: post #280
alt227 wrote: post #279

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Im refering to pushback of regular people who deny climate change like they do any other conspiracy theory.

Why did regular people start thinking of climate change as a "conspiracy theory" in the first place? Money.

Lol, people who believe in conspiracy theories make them up about everything.

Aliens visiting and walking amongst us, building the pyramids etc? I guess the reason is just money /s

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by alt227 »

johsole wrote: post #300
alt227 wrote: post #265

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The warming is definitely not the problem (for the earth itself), only for the human race of which I care very little for. Many different groups of large animals have lived and died off over the ages. It will happen again many times after humans are gone. I personally welcome nuclear war and anything else which will help wipe out the human race. In a few million years the earth will move on to its next rulers and we…

> I personally welcome nuclear war and anything else which will help wipe out the human race If you hate humanity, you hate yourself, and that is a miserable way to live. Reprogram your brain, by repetition, it works, and you can find joy.

I live in the least impactful way possible. I guarantee you my impact on the earth is less then 99.99999% of the population, and I live a very happy life. Im just not scared of it ending, becasue I know when humanity is gone then the earth will have a big future of succesful evolution.

Not everything has to be doom and gloom. Your life and the planet is what you make of it.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by alt227 »

mithr wrote: post #134
alt227 wrote: post #125

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Your analogy doesnt work, becaue the earth has been warmer than it is now several times in the past. so the increased temperature is within the range of normal temperatures. The problem is not that the earth is warming, it is that it is warming at an artificially increased rate.

It's not meant as a perfect analogy for global warming, but rather an illustration of how a constant state isn't necessary for something to be said to be "changing", which was OP's claim.

The goalposts are that way --->

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by triceratops »

alt227 wrote: post #306
triceratops wrote: post #280

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Why did regular people start thinking of climate change as a "conspiracy theory" in the first place? Money.

Lol, people who believe in conspiracy theories make them up about everything. Aliens visiting and walking amongst us, building the pyramids etc? I guess the reason is just money /s

Do half the voters believe in aliens building pyramids?

And in any case, I assume that conspiracy theory was lucrative for whoever wrote the book or made the film about it.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Post by justin66 »

johsole wrote: post #299
justin66 wrote: post #251

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Thanks for that reminder of some cultural differences (!) between us and our friends across the pond. Hopefully it goes without saying, that rather colorful example is a few steps removed from the replication crisis, although the point about governing institutions spending their credibility in poor ways is taken.

The US had a version of this as well. At the height of lockdowns and social distancing a lot of health officials were saying protesting racial injustice was more important than Covid 19, which we closed a lot of businesses for. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/06/04/public-hea...

I've got to admit that I'm unclear on the relationship between the US's attempts to juggle public health priorities with the constitutional right to freedom of assembly and... the UK glory hole thing. But I'm wondering if those George Floyd protests were a lot more fun than I always suspected.
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