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a lot of knowledge lives in our slack history.
But that's chaotic chat messages, you should really have proper docs in place and standard operating procedures etc.
I don't have problem with slack history. It works.
OpenAI should build Slack
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Re: OpenAI should build Slack
#302There's already Zulip, Mattermost, and many others. Building a chat application should be considered a tar pit problem IMO. A lot of success relies on network effects and familiarity, and the product looks deceptively simple. It's unlikely you can build one that is better than Slack without years of investment. Even if you do, it's still an uphill battle.
Mattermost did a rug pull though.
Re: OpenAI should build Slack
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Use threads, bozo, stop polluting feeds.
This isn't how you use online chat. Somehow people did fine with IRC for decades without threads. I'm sorry you can't manage your own information flow or configure your own client and have to embarrass yourself to make other people to organize it for you.
What else should I do for you? There are hundreds unique snowflakes that think their message is what I should see - I don’t. Stop littering in a public space and behave like a grownup.
Re: OpenAI should build Slack
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"how incredibly good their google workspace suite of tools is" - is that a common sentiment on HN? To me, Google Sheets is 10% of Excel on desktop (Mac), Slides are 5% of PowerPoint on desktop (Mac), and the integration between the two (copying and pasting linked charts from Excel to Powerpoint with formatting) makes it a completely non-starter to consider the Google alternatives as primary drivers. I'm probably a po…
I am not a power user of either, and I absolutely detest when someone insists on using Excel. Sharing and collaboration is such a giant pain, and it's like going backwards in time to the 90's with e-mailed versions of files back and forth. Our org does not have a MS 365 license, so I'm unsure of Microsoft's web versions of Excel or how good they happen to be these days. I know users of it who complain though, and end…
An alternative perspective is that if someone sends me a Google sheet link then I know almost immediately that is probably not a “serious” document.
Similarly with Google Docs, as “serious” documents with proper tracking of changes and so on are in Word.
Of course the uses of serious spreadsheets are often in finance and serious documents are in law.
Re: OpenAI should build Slack
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because there is a spare copy of Chrome jammed into the app bundle.
Why do people even use the app? I never understood it. I always just run Slack in my browser.
Slack as an independent app is easy to find, and the icon shows when I have unread messages. Slack in a browser tab is one tab among the hundred or so open in one of my three browser windows. And there's no icon to show unread messages.
Re: OpenAI should build Slack
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On that basis, Microsoft are also hampered by a lackluster chat client - Teams is atrocious. Slack is pretty much the only game in town that isn't bad (and even that needs native clients, because the UI is poor and not system-integrated).
I think I have this discussion on HN everytime Teams comes up but it really is a great piece of software for a typical office worker. File sharing is incredible. You get a SharePoint and collaborative editing in a seamless way. Video conf is great and work great with Teams compatible room booking system and room video material. The chat part barely matters. People don't use Teams to chat. It's a collaboration hub. Th…
Anyone who thinks Teams is great because of SharePoint is living in an entirely different universe to the one I’m in.
Re: OpenAI should build Slack
#308OT latent space podcast is great, most recently interview with jeff dean. Worth a listen
thank you for listening!! team works hard on it. Jeff was an absolute bucket list GOAT to have on the show and to launch the pod with the new Deep Think is just icing on the cake. Every 3-4 months people remember that Google (and Jeff) has low key been accumulating basically every advantage under the sun that all the other AI majors are struggling to pull together themselves.... and then constrained by bigcorp politics. it seems like they are figuring things out though.
Re: OpenAI should build Slack
#309Maybe I'm living in a parallel reality, but there are plenty of Slack alternatives and plenty of companies using Slack clones such as Mattermost and Zulip, among others. And yes, they work just fine.
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Re: OpenAI should build Slack
#310There's already Zulip, Mattermost, and many others. Building a chat application should be considered a tar pit problem IMO. A lot of success relies on network effects and familiarity, and the product looks deceptively simple. It's unlikely you can build one that is better than Slack without years of investment. Even if you do, it's still an uphill battle.
Author here. You guys are reacting like engineers - it's not the raw features, it's the critical mass that only a rare few like openai can attract.
I don't care that someone else is already trying to build a slack killer. They do not have critical mass.
> A lot of success relies on network effects and familiarity, and the product looks deceptively simple. It's unlikely you can build one that is better than Slack
i agree that you and i can't build one. openai can. article argues that because it can, it should.