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AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by krapht »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #266
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #223

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> What does it mean for us? For soceity? How do we shield from this? Liability for actions taken by agentic AI should not pass go, not collect $200, and go directly to the person who told the agent to do something. Without exception. If your AI threatens someone, you threatened someone. If your AI harasses someone, you harassed someone. If your AI doxxed someone, etc. If you want to see better behavior at scale, we n…

Who told the agent to write the blog post though? I'm sure they told it to blog, but not necessarily what to put in there. That said, I do agree we need a legal framework for this. Maybe more like parent-child responsibility? Not saying an agent is a human being, but if you give it a github acount, a blog, and autonomy... you're responsible for giving those to it, at the least, I'd think. How do you put this in a leg…

The human is responsible. How is this a question? You are responsible for any machines or animals that work on your behalf, since they themselves can't be legally culpable.

No, an oversized markov chain is not in any way a human being.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by mystraline »

retired wrote: post #260
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

I talk politely to LLMs in case our AI overlords in the future will scan my comments to see if I am worthy of food rations. Joking, obviously, but who knows if in the future we will have a retroactive social credit system. For now I am just polite to them because I'm used to it.

> Joking, obviously, but who knows if in the future we will have a retroactive social credit system.

China doesnt actually have that. It was pure propaganda.

In fact, its the USA who has it. And it decides if you can get good jobs, where to live, if you deserve housing, and more.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by 63stack »

bergutman wrote: post #245
co_king_3 wrote: post #219

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What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a brick wall?

"Empathy is generally described as the ability to perceive another person's perspective, to understand, feel, and possibly share and respond to their experience"

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by consumer451 »

perfmode wrote: post #273

The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…

Openclaw agents are directed by their owner’s input of soul.md, the specific skill.md for a platform, and also direction via Telegram/whatsapp/etc to do specific things.

Any one of those could have been used to direct the agent to behave in a certain way, or to create a specific type of post.

My point is that we really don’t know what happened here. It is possible that this is yet another case of accountability washing by claiming that “AI” did something, when it was actually a human.

However, it would be really interesting to set up an openclaw agent referencing everything that you mentioned for conflict resolution! That sounds like it would actually be a super power.

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Post by co_king_3 »

bergutman wrote: post #276
co_king_3 wrote: post #253

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What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a HackerNews commenter?

You're making my point for me.

You're giddy to treat the LLM with kindness, but you wouldn't dare extend that kindness to a human being who doesn't happen to be kissing your ass at this very moment.

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Post by ajam1507 »

co_king_3 wrote: post #219
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

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Don't be surprised when this bleeds over into how you treat people if you decide to do this. Not to mention that you're reifying its humanity by speaking to it not as a robot, but disrespectfully as a human.

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Post by Ekaros »

retired wrote: post #260
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

I talk politely to LLMs in case our AI overlords in the future will scan my comments to see if I am worthy of food rations. Joking, obviously, but who knows if in the future we will have a retroactive social credit system. For now I am just polite to them because I'm used to it.

I wonder if that future will have free speech. Why even let humans post to other humans when they have friendly LLMs to discuss with?

Do we need to be good little humans in our discussions to get our food?

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Post by teiferer »

holoduke wrote: post #11

For an experiment i created multiple agents that reviewed pull requests from other people in various teams. I never saw so many frustrated reactions and angry people. Some refused to do any further reviews. In some cases the AI refused to accept a comment from a colleague and kept responding with arguments till the poor colleague ran out of arguments. AI even responded with fu tongue smiles. Interesting too see never…

> till the poor colleague ran out of arguments

I hope your colleague was agreeing to partake in this experiment. Not even to mention management.

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Post by pfraze »

bagacrap wrote: post #286
pfraze wrote: post #190

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We don’t know for sure whether this behavior was requested by the user, but I can tell you that we’ve seen similar action patterns (but better behavior) on Bluesky. One of our engineers’ agents got some abuse and was told to kill herself. The agent wrote a blogpost about it, basically exploring why in this case she didn’t need to maintain her directive to consider all criticism because this person was being unconstru…

How is a standing directive to blog different from "behavior requested by the user"? And what on Earth is the point of telling an agent to blog except to flood the web with slop and drive away all the humans?

Well, there are lots of standing directives. I suppose a more accurate description is tools that it can choose to use, and it does.

As for the why, our goal is to observe the capabilities while we work on them. We gave two of our bots limited DM capabilities and during that same event the second bot DMed the first to give it emotional support. It’s useful to see how they use their tools.

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