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Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by joe_mamba »

supermatt wrote: post #275
joe_mamba wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends As another 90s preteen, sure, but the internet today has a lot more pedos and groomers online than in the 90s, and preteens today easily share footage of themselves to those adult weirdos, which didn't happen in the 90s because mostly limitations of technology. BUt if you look at tiktok live it's full of preteen girls dancing, and creepy old men d…

The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices. If laws need to be made about something it should be to punish those parents who neglect to safeguard their children using the tools already available to them. If the parental controls currently provided aren’t sufficient then they should be modified to be so - in addition to filtering, they should probably send a header to websit…

>The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices.

Yeah but many parents are stupid and want the government to force everyone to wear oven mitts to protect their kids from their poor/lack of parenting. What do you do then?

Remember how since a lot of men died in WW2 so kids were growing up in fatherless homes which led to a rise in juvenile delinquency, and the government and parents instead of admitting fatherless homes are the issue, the "researchers" then blamed it on the violent comic books being the issue, so the government with support from parents introduced the Comics Code Authority regulations.

People and governments are more than happy to offload the blame for societal issues messing up their kids onto external factors: be it comic books, rock music, MTV, shooter videogames, now the internet platforms, etc.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by trinix912 »

Semaphor wrote: post #254
Barrin92 wrote: post #120

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this is already how the EU infrastructure for digital ID works, basically. Using public/private keys on your national id, the government functions as a root authority that you (and other trusted verifiers downstream) can identify you with and commercial platforms only get a yes/no when you want to identify yourself but have no access to any data. South Korea also has had various versions of this even going back to ~2…

Do all EU countries have that? I know our (German) ID works that way, using the FOSS AusweisApp, but I hadn’t heard of it being EU-wide (it should be, though).

It's been a slow rollout but yes, it's an EU wide thing. Slovenian IDs issued after around 2022 have them too.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by imtringued »

Y-bar wrote: post #271
BobaFloutist wrote: post #157

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Ok, at which point an adult has taken responsibility for giving them access. The older brother could also rent an R (or x) rated movie, buy cigarettes, lighters, dry ice, and give them to the kids. The point of the age check is to prevent kids from getting access without an adult in the loop, not to prevent an adult from providing kids access

This is a good point. We could extend it to computing devices: An adult gives a child access to a device, and now the adult is in the loop and takes responsibility. If said adult (parent, most often) want to automatically restrict certain activities/content on the device they can use the parental controls available. No panopticon required.

You can only keep the adult in the loop if you have a panopticon that traces back to said adult.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by latexr »

stubish wrote: post #296
adjfasn47573 wrote: post #293

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You forgot one (the sane one, which is coming soon anyway): Using a government issued eID system. The EU is going to rollout eID in a way that a site can just ask “is this person > age xy?”. The answer is cryptographically secure in the sense that this person really is this age, but no other information about you has to be known by the site owner. Which is the actual correct way to do it. I don’t understand why all t…

Sites need to deal with Australia, which punted all responsibility to the platforms and provided no real assistance (like say the government half of the eID system that manages all the keys and metadata)

> Sites need to deal with Australia

Do they? The UK’s population is more than double of Australia’s and some websites (e.g. imgur) are outright blocking the UK.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by manuelmoreale »

HeckFeck wrote: post #300
manuelmoreale wrote: post #292

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Curious: are you ok with the other laws that are in place in the world to prevent underage people to engage with all sorts of activities? Like, for example, having to show an ID to being able to purchase alcohol?

They aren't comparable. Showing an ID to a staff member isn't stripping my anonymity. I know the retailer won't have that on file forever, tied to me on subsequent visits. Also they stop ID'ing you after a certain age ;) There isn't any way to achieve the same digitally.

I know they're not compatible. I'm asking if you're also ok with those. There are also plenty of situations where you are asked to provide an ID, digitally, when above a certain age. For example booking hotels and other accommodations.

Personally I'm still trying to figure out where my position is when it comes to this whole debate because both camps have obvious pros and cons.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by einr »

Valodim wrote: post #272
unethical_ban wrote: post #268

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This suggests that the immediate availability of a drop-in replacement today means there is no utility in encouraging that growth. There are multiple open-source tools that do everything Discord does. There are few-to-none that offer everything Discord does, and certainly none that are centralized, network-effect-capture-ready. Short term: * Small group chats with known friends: Signal, whatsapp, IRC, Matrix * Commun…

None of those play in the same league as discord for hosting a community, and none of them look in a position to be there in the foreseeable future. It sucks but that's how it is.

This is how it always is, until suddenly one day it isn't. Linux didn't play in the same league as serious and commercial UNIX systems until one fateful day it killed them all dead forever.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

luke727 wrote: post #276
shevy-java wrote: post #229

"k-id, the age verification provider discord uses doesn't store or send your face to the server. instead, it sends a bunch of metadata about your face and general process details." I think the primary issue is not the "send your face" (face info) to a server. The problem is that private entities are greedy for user data, in this case tying facial recognition to activities related to interacting with other people, mos…

The frustration aimed at Discord et al is largely misplaced. I'm sure these companies don't mind gathering extra data about their users, but the primary impetus for age verification is government legislation. Moving to alternative platforms is not a long term solution because it's attacking the problem from the wrong direction.

Not just government legislation, but also lawsuits. I'm confident that Discord is a hotbed of all kinds of abuse and inappropriate / adult content, a lot targeting younger generations, and most of their resources are spent on that. Age verification doesn't solve that problem per se, but it makes things a bit easier.

The challenge with "protect the children" is not only evildoers targeting them, but targets actively seeking things out. They'll be the first ones looking for ways to circumvent age verification.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

supermatt wrote: post #275
joe_mamba wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>as a young preteen in the 90s and 00s, I made a lot of online friends As another 90s preteen, sure, but the internet today has a lot more pedos and groomers online than in the 90s, and preteens today easily share footage of themselves to those adult weirdos, which didn't happen in the 90s because mostly limitations of technology. BUt if you look at tiktok live it's full of preteen girls dancing, and creepy old men d…

The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices. If laws need to be made about something it should be to punish those parents who neglect to safeguard their children using the tools already available to them. If the parental controls currently provided aren’t sufficient then they should be modified to be so - in addition to filtering, they should probably send a header to websit…

> The solution is parents using the parental control feature on their children’s devices.

This is a stopgap at best, and to be blunt, it's naive. They can go on their friends' phones, or go to a shop and buy a cheap smartphone to circumvent the parental controls. If the internet is locked down, they'll use one of many "free" VPN services, or just go to school / library / a friend's place for unrestricted network access.

Parents can only do so much, realistically. The other parties that need to be involved are the social media companies, ISPs, and most importantly the children themselves. You can't stop them, but they need to be educated. And even if they're educated and know all about the dangers of the internet, they may still seek it out because it's exciting / arousing / etc.

I wish I knew less about this.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by int_19h »

trinix912 wrote: post #299
mjevans wrote: post #213

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How about just requiring browser, OS vendors, and phone makers to give parents real child accounts that are easy to use and keep kids off the Internet?

This would suddenly mean no more custom browsers, no more custom OSes, and I doubt they'd cater to the Linux and BSD crowds with this one. It's something the OSS community has been trying to fight for the last 4 decades. With a full-on government requirement this would lock you to the vetted platforms while letting anything other get in would be illegal for the site owners.

It doesn't mean any of that? The point is that the parent, not the child, is the owner of the device. So the parent can restrict the device they own before handing it off to the child (or the same with accounts on the same device).
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