Yes, that was one of the first aha moments for me; put simply:
It's now cheaper to try diving into a system to change it, opposed to the 'safe' path to built on-top-off and adapt to it.
Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
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Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#302I've never did see any value in monsters like React. Always use plain JavaScript, wrote web components and used some narrow scope 3rd party libraries. Works like a charm for me. Now instead of writing whole web components on my own I write skeletons with some comments and ask IDE with AI services (I use IDEs from JetBrains) to complete it. I then do the same with tee main application. So far the results are stellar. I do similar with my backend applications (mostly C++) but there is much more work from my side is involved as the requirements are way stricter, for example performance being a major thing.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. For area where you can use tested and tried libraries (or tools in general) LLMs will generate better code when they use them. In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. It could end up being the opposite that frameworks and libraries become more important with LLMs.
> In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. LLMs don't learn? The neural networks are trained just once before release and it's a -ing expensive process. Have you tried using one on your existing code base, which is basically a framework for whatever business problem you're solving? Did it figure it out automagically? They know react.js and nest.js and next.js and whatever.js because they h…
If its on github eventually it will cycle into the training data. I have also seen Claude pull down code to look at from github.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#304> Software engineers are scared of designing things themselves. When I use a framework, it's because I believe that the designers of that framework are i) probably better at software engineering than I am, and ii) have encountered all sorts of problems and scaling issues (both in terms of usage and actual codebase size) that I haven't encountered yet, and have designed the framework to ameliorate those problems. Thos…
To be blunt, I think it's a form of mania that drives someone to reject human-written code in favor of LLM-generated code. Every time I read writing from this perspective that exceeds a paragraph, I quickly realize the article itself was written by an LLM. When they automate this much writing, it makes me wonder how much of their own reading they automate away too. The below captures this perfectly. The author is try…
> Every time I read writing from this perspective that exceeds a paragraph, I quickly realize the article itself was written by an LLM.
Likewise, I think that this mentality is a modern day conversion disorder.
"Everything I don't agree with is an LLM, I have no proof it just feels good!"
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
The naysayers said we’d never even get to this point. It’s far more plausible to me that AI will advance enough to de-slopify our code than it is to me that there will be some karmic reckoning in which the graybeards emerge on top again.
What point have we reached? All I see is HN drowning in insufferable, identical-sounding posts about how everything has changed forever. Meanwhile at work, in a high stakes environment where software not working as intended has actual consequences, there are... a few new tools some people like using and think they may be a bit more productive with. And the jury's still out even on that. The initial excitement of LLMs…
> I think I'm done with HN at this point.
On the bright side, this forum is gonna be great fun to read in 2 or 3 years, whether the AI dream takes off, or crashes to the ground.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#306I feel like commenting on the article without reading was really vindicated with the advent of AI slop.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. For area where you can use tested and tried libraries (or tools in general) LLMs will generate better code when they use them. In fact, LLMs will be better than humans in learning new frameworks. It could end up being the opposite that frameworks and libraries become more important with LLMs.
LLMs famously aren’t that good at using new frameworks/languages. Sure they can get by with the right context, but most people are pointing them at standard frameworks in common languages to maximize the quality of their output.
This is not my experience any longer. With properly set feedback loop and frameworks documentation it does not seem to matter much if they are working with completely novel stuff or not. Of course, when that is not available they hallucinate, but who anymore does that even? Anyone can see that LLMs are just glorified auto-complete machines, so you really have to put a lot of work in the enviroment they operate and quick feedback loops. (Just like with 90% of developers made of flesh...)
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
The naysayers said we’d never even get to this point. It’s far more plausible to me that AI will advance enough to de-slopify our code than it is to me that there will be some karmic reckoning in which the graybeards emerge on top again.
What point have we reached? All I see is HN drowning in insufferable, identical-sounding posts about how everything has changed forever. Meanwhile at work, in a high stakes environment where software not working as intended has actual consequences, there are... a few new tools some people like using and think they may be a bit more productive with. And the jury's still out even on that. The initial excitement of LLMs…
> The initial excitement of LLMs has significantly cooled off, the model releases show rapidly diminishing returns if not outright equilibrium and the only vibe-coded software project I've seen get any actual public use is Claude Code, which is riddled with embarrassing bugs its own developers have publicly given up on fixing. The only thing I see approaching any kind of singularity is the hype.
I am absolutely baffled by this take. I work in an objectively high stakes environment (Big 3 cloud database provider) and we are finally (post Opus 4.5) seeing the models and tools become good enough to drive the vast majority of our coding work. Devops and livesite is a harder problem, but even there we see very promising results.
I was a skeptic too. I was decently vocal about AI working for single devs but could never scale to large, critical enterprise codebases and systems. I was very wrong.
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why does there seem to be such a divide in opinions on AI in coding? Meanwhile those who "get it" have been improving their productivity for literally years now.
I think there are a number of elements: - What you are working on. AI is better at solving already solved problems with lots of examples. - How fast/skilled you were before. If you were slow before then you got a bigger speed up. If AI can solve problems you can’t you unlock new abilities - How much quality is prioritized. You can write quality, bug free code with AI but it takes longer and you get less of a boost. -…
A few more:
- How much do you prioritize speed?
- Do you have a big backlog of dev tasks ready to go?
- What are the risks if your software doesn’t work?
- Are you working on a green field or legacy project? Prototypes or MVPs?
Re: Coding agents have replaced every framework I used
#310It's a chicken and an egg problem.
Sure, you can skip using frameworks and let AI write them directly for you, because that's what they are trained on - these framework you think you're omitting.
Now the issue is - if we play with the idea that the revolution is actually going to happen and developers will get replaced with vibe coders in the next 6 months (as has been prophesied for the last 5 years) - then the innovation will stop as there will be no one left to add to the pool.
This whole thing reminds me of debacle about retirement funds and taxes in my country. People think they are smart by avoiding them, because they suspect that the system will fail and they won't get anything back. But by the virtue of avoiding these taxes they themselves make a self fulfilling prophecy that is already breaking the system.