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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by malfist »

echelon wrote: post #265
whatarethembits wrote: post #135

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Almost everything described in the post, amounts to a few hours in total in a given year to do "manually". I agree, there isn't compelling value (yet). What's puzzling to me is that there's little consideration of what one is trading away for this purported "value". Doing menial tasks is a respite for your brain to process things in the background. Its an opportunity to generate new thoughts. It reminds you of your o…

This all reminds me of Bill Gates on Letterman back in 1995: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBSLUbpJvwA "Do tape recorders ring a bell?" There are so many things I don't want to do. I don't want to read the internet and social media anymore - I'd rather just have a digest of high signal with a little bit of serendipity. Instead of bookmarking a fun physics concept to come back to later, I could have an agent find mo…

Ads are for sure not fucked. They're going to be integrated into everything in this utopia of yours. Big tech has shown us time and time again, not only will they sell a non-paying customer to advertisers, but they'll sell paying ones too. No opportunity for revenue will be overlooked.

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Post by maxkfranz »

svieira wrote: post #250
chzblck wrote: post #169

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My old CEO - ex sun/greenplum/pivotal swore that sending an email in lowercase forced the other person to read the whole message and not skim.

ItisevenbetterwhenyoudropthespacesthatREALLYforcespeopletoengagewithyourcontent. FormaaimxlgarbteihratttenionandHLODitscrmblaetheintreiorofwrdos! /s

On top of using scriptio continua, you can write your emails in ancient Greek for that truly authentic feeling.

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by pythonaut_16 »

louiereederson wrote: post #291
TiredOfLife wrote: post #274

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Do you have that much trouble remembering what is in your fridge to consider this the stupidest thing you have ever read on this site? I feel superhuman.

GP might be hyperbolic but come on.

Common internet tropes include both "look at this forgotten jar that's been in the back of my fridge since 1987" and "doesn't it suck how much food we waste in the modern world?"

Nearly every modern invention could be dismissed with this attitude. "Why do you need a typewriter? Just write on paper like the rest of the world does."

"Why do you need a notebook? Just remember everything like the rest of us do."

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by thisisit »

kaicianflone wrote: post #103
okinok wrote: post #7

>all delegation involves risk. with a human assistant, the risks include: intentional misuse (she could run off with my credit card), accidents (her computer could get stolen), or social engineering (someone could impersonate me and request information from her). One of the differences in risk here would be that I think you got some legal protection if your human assistant misuse it, or it gets stolen. But, with the…

That liability gap is exactly the problem I’m trying to solve. Humans have contracts and insurance. Agents have nothing. I’m working on a system that adds economic stake, slashing, and "auditability" to agent decisions so risk is bounded before delegation, not argued about after. https://clawsens.us

You forgot to add Blockchain and Oracles. I mean who will audit the auditors?

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by rao-v »

I think it maybe time for us to think about what the sensible version of these capabilities are.

Short term hacky tricks:

1. Throw away accounts - make a spare account with no credit card for airbnb, resy etc.

2. Use read only when it's possible. It's funny that banks are the one place where you can safely get read only data via an API (plaid, simplefin etc.). Make use of it!

3. Pick a safe comms channel - ideally an app you don't use with people to talk to your assistant. For the love of god don't expose your two factor SMS tokens (also ask your providers to switch you to proper two factor most finally have the capability).

4. Run the bot in a container with read only access to key files etc.

Long term:

1. We really do need services to provide multiple levels of API access, read only and some sort of very short lived "my boss said I can do this" transaction token. Ideally your agent would queue up N transactions, give them to you in a standard format, you'd approve them with FaceID, and that will generate a short lived per transaction token scoped pretty narrowly for the agent to use.

2. We need sensible micropayments. The more transactional and agent in the middle the world gets, the less services can survive with webpages,apps,ads and subscriptions.

3. Local models are surprisingly capable for some tasks and privacy safe(er)... I'm hoping these agents will eventually permit you to say "Only subagents that are local may read my chat messages"

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Post by order-matters »

louiereederson wrote: post #238

- Why do you need a reminder to buy gloves when you are holding them? - Why do you need price trackers for airbnb? It is not a superliquid market with daily price swings. - Cataloguing your fridge requires taking pictures of everything you add and remove which seems... tedious. Just remember what you have? - Can you not prepare for the next day by opening your calendar? - If you have reminders for everything (respond…

sounds like they want to be a puppet for their own life

Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

malfist wrote: post #293
insane_dreamer wrote: post #263

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Yeah, a lot of these AI "uses" feel like solutions looking for a problem. It's the equivalent of me having to press a button on the steering wheel of my Tesla and say "Open Glovebox" and wait 1-2 seconds for the glove box to open (the wonders of technology!) instead of just reaching over and pressing a button to open the glovebox instantly (a button that Tesla removed because "voice-operated controls are cool!"). Or…

I really appreciate your condensing of the AI problem. I think the only thing it's missing is that at least 5% of the time, when you tell it to open the glovebox it tells you it's already open and leaves it closed, or turns on your turn signals.

We have built a magic hammer that can make 100 houses in a second, but all the houses are slightly wonky, and 5% of their embedded systems are actively harmful.

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Post by raincole »

hamdingers wrote: post #290
TiredOfLife wrote: post #274

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This is how billions of people across the planet manage their pantries. Get off this site and talk to real people more often.

Billions of people don't use calendar apps so they're useless; just remember your meetings.

Billions of people don't use todo list apps so they're useless; just remember what to do.

Billions of people don't use post-its apps so they're useless; just remember what you're going to write down.

Billions of people don't have cars; just walk.

You can dismiss any invention since industrial revolution with this logic.

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