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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by fsckboy »

caseysoftware wrote: post #288
runako wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair! I was going to go back and edit, but my comment was more for other people who read your comment thinking it was a good idea for them to do (assuming they can raise their hands over their heads).

Since the TSA cannot force you to prove it - after all, they're not medical personnel to evaluate it and not willing to risk your injury - whether someone lies becomes irrelevant.

"i can't raise my arms over my head" doesn't contain the word "medically". could be religious reasons, or simply personal superstition.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by hahahahhaah »

paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

It is like the government loooed at Ryanair and thought "what if we were like that!"

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Post by FireBeyond »

ibejoeb wrote: post #96
alecbz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't flying 25 years ago but I'm not sure what you mean, or how that's relevant actually. The point is just that it takes them more time to do the "extra screening" if you don't have your ID than the standard screening if you did have your ID.

Sure. A couple of things to clarify: 1. They're not doing screening. The screening comes later. At this stage, they're attempting to identify someone. That has never been the job. The job is to prevent guns, knives, swollen batteries, or anything else that could be a safety threat during air travel. 2. Regardless, the reality is that they do identify travelers. Even so, the job has not changed. If you don't present s…

> That has never been the job. The job is to prevent guns, knives, swollen batteries, or anything else that could be a safety threat during air travel.

A job that by their own internal testing, they do well less than 5% of the time (some of their audits showed that 98% of fake/test guns that were sent through TSA got through checkpoints).

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Post by duskdozer »

ibejoeb wrote: post #181
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #132

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And this is the same state that said they will have drivers license tests in English only

That would be sensible if the traffic signs were in English.

Can you read Chinese? Can you identify what this traffic sign means? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/CN...

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by OneDeuxTriSeiGo »

jacquesm wrote: post #246
avalys wrote: post #228

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What is an example of such a condition?

Pacemaker, pregnancy, probably others.

Studies have all come out clean on pacemakers and mmWave. No detectable interference in the hardware or on an EKG while in a mmWave scanner.

I could imagine other conditions potentially but pacemakers have been ruled a non issue for mmWave by academic studies (albeit I can understand still exercising caution despite that).

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Post by root_axis »

paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

It's not a money grab, it's a tactic to encourage compliance. This isn't evidence of a change in security posture, you've always been able to travel without a Real ID. They've been pushing Real ID for more than a decade, 90% of people have one already anyway, the remaining stragglers simply don't care because there have never been any consequences.

Now TSA is offering an ultimatum. Pay $45 once to renew your ID or pay it every time you travel. For most people this is enough motivation to renew the ID and never think about it again.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by ada1981 »

sargun wrote: post #263
caseysoftware wrote: post #160

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> So it was never about security at all then, was it? Never was. I flew every other week prior to covid and haven't once been through the scanners. For the first ~6 years, I opted out and got pat down over and over again. Then I realized I could even skip that. Now at the checkpoint, I stand at the metal detector. When they wave me to the scanner, I say "I can't raise my arms over my head." They wave me through the m…

What ethnicity are you? I went through an airport -- and nobody else got screened except me. What was special about me? I was the only non-white person in the airport. Upon complaining, this was the response: > Random selection by our screening technology prevents terrorists from attempting to defeat the security system by learning how it operates. Leaving out any one group, such as senior citizens, persons with disa…

I was so confused last time I traveled as I watched this brown skinned family getting shaken down for ID by TSA and they literally just waived me past and said didn't need ID. Mind you I've never not been asked to show ID to TSA before this.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

If Real ID is so good, why do we have CLEAR? Why can I not skip the line with RealID?

If we are forced RealID, why not just make all the TSA checkpoints like Global Entry (or in several countries with IDs), fully automate them, using Real ID. That would get rid of CLEAR, and a lot of TSA agents.

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Post by ziml77 »

crazygringo wrote: post #164
mothballed wrote: post #146

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... if you aren't detained you are free to go. And if you are free to go, you are free to stay, unless the property owner has trespassed you. TSA doesn't own the airport, at least in my state. So how can they trespass you from the airport or otherwise continue to detain you from moving forward? I mean, I know you're right, and I know you will always lose if you try, but I don't understand the legal basis.

It's just federal law. Cities don't own restaurants either but can fine them and close them if health inspections fail, because there's a law for that. The legal basis is the federal laws written specifically around airport security.

I think the question here is, which laws?

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by duskdozer »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #144
anonymars wrote: post #9

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Remember that you can opt out of TSA's facial recognition https://www.ajl.org/campaigns/fly

And exactly what good does that do? The government already has your face tied to your ID and knows you’re flying

- 2D ID photo vs 3D scan

- ID photo is x years out of date

- old identifying info + new identifying info is more valuable than just old identifying info

- if it really doesn't matter, then why do they need to collect it? they can just not collect it, since it doesn't matter.

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