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Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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Post by mlrtime »

charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

Thank you and a meta observation.

This happens almost EVERY SINGLE TIME there is a sensationalized headline about something I know about deeply. The title or claim in the article will take a option or feature or some industry where something MAYBE possible and state it as a fact for the propose of creating some kind of fear.

Fear = engagement = ad revenue

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Post by iso1631 »

palmotea wrote: post #152
iso1631 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSID, signal strength, BSSID, private IP, public IP, ipv6, all trivially available to a binary running on a machine. It sounds far less than the diagnostics data I get from a small go binary. If corporate policy is you can't connect to starbucks wifi, then enforce that at the MDM mangement layer - I assume things like SCCM can do it.

> SSID, signal strength, BSSID, private IP, public IP, ipv6, all trivially available to a binary running on a machine. So it sounds like if you want to circumvent this: get a travel router that spoofs a work access point, and make sure any kind of identification requests that would reveal a public IP are either blocked or are going through your work VPN.

Hell of a lot of opsec you need to ensure to lie to your employer.

How ware you going to spoof the certificate?

I don't get it personally, what's the purpose?

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Post by y-curious »

absqueued wrote: post #277
y-curious wrote: post #10

Can I kill this via pihole somehow? My wife uses teams. This is a sick “tool” that will be wielded asymmetrically by middle management to fire people

I have started to use Teams in Firefox browser since last two weeks. Uninstalled app in laptop and phone. And phone dns always goes through pihole. Could this work in your case?

Great ideas thanks

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Post by y-curious »

pogue wrote: post #178
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more likely than you think.

I'm sure it depends on the make/model and how locked down it is or if they even care

He was referencing this meme, friend: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-more-likely-than-you-thin...

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Post by its_ubuntu »

x3ro wrote: post #243
charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

1. VeryGoodCorp builds a "harmless" feature that's super useful and maybe even opt-in. Only privacy-nuts object to it. 2. The feature is in fact useful, so most people enable it. It may even become company policy to have it enabled. 3. Companies who buy this feature ask for a way to force their employees to use it, as it's "confusing" if location data is only available for 90% of the employees. Not it's an opt-out fe…

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Post by jama211 »

LollipopYakuza wrote: post #226
jama211 wrote: post #209

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That’s ok, if my work cared enough about whether I was online or at my desk at any specific moment they’d have complained already. I have teams quit completely half the time. I get my work done, my performance reviews are good, I turn up to meetings on time, that’s all that should ever matter. Also if they cared so much about where I was to punish me for it, I’d quit that company. The only companies I will work for a…

And I am glad you can afford that choice. But there are a ton of people out there who can't.

Only because they refuse to unionise. If we all quit jobs or collectively bargained where we weren’t treated like human beings, they’d be forced to treat us like human beings.

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Post by rozboris »

charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

It's not your fault that you chose to work on Teams? Maybe "fault" is not the right word, but it's your choice. If you think it needs changing, it's in your hands. If you think it's fine to work on Teams, don't apologize.

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Post by port11 »

rozboris wrote: post #308
charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

It's not your fault that you chose to work on Teams? Maybe "fault" is not the right word, but it's your choice . If you think it needs changing, it's in your hands. If you think it's fine to work on Teams, don't apologize.

Maybe it’s not their fault that this feature exists?

Also, about choice: we like to pretend that people are free to choose where they work. They are; if there are no blocking consequences to that choice. For example, between working at Microsoft and letting my family starve? Well, I’ll bite the bullet. The market isn’t amazing, we can be much kinder on people for where they work.

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Post by dangus »

jodrellblank wrote: post #91
dangus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does UPS have the right to know the location of its drivers? Of course it does. I don’t know that we can draw broad conclusions about worker rights on this issue. My company probably DOES need to know that I’m not taking company information to certain locations like overseas if I work in certain industries like if I am in healthcare covered by HIPAA and I’m handling PHI. Hyperbolic example, but if I’m taking a teams…

> " Of course it does. " Of course it doesn't. (What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence). > " there isn’t a strong argument that it should exist. " Did you google for anything on this topic? Did you set a timer for 5 minutes and spend some time trying hard to think of one? Did you look at other countries and their regulations (e.g. Germany?[1]) and why they ended up that way? [1] https…

It seems like your link isn’t even very supportive of your point: it doesn’t touch on the topic of location, and it affirms the rights of businesses to track business usage. The protections described in the article are mainly around business devices being used for personal use (e.g., I login to my personal email on my work laptop and send my friend a message - my company doesn’t have the right to read that message. Companies who want to avoid this issue must explicitly forbid occasional personal use).
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