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After two years of vibecoding, I'm back to writing by hand

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Re: After two years of vibecoding, I'm back to writing by hand

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Post by yojat661 »

kaydub wrote: post #201
skerit wrote: post #55

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The article said: > So I’m back to writing by hand for most things. Amazingly, I’m faster, more accurate, more creative, more productive, and more efficient than AI, when you price everything in, and not just code tokens per hour At least he said "most things". I also did "most things" by hand, until Opus 4.5 came out. Now it's doing things in hours I would have worked an entire week on. But it's not a prompt-and-for…

The article and video just feels like another dev poo-pooing LLMs. "vibe coding" didn't really become real until 2025, so how were they vibe coding for 2 years? 2 years ago I couldn't count on an llm to output JSON consistently. Overall the article/video are SUPER ambiguous and frankly worthless.

Cursor and gpt 4 have been a thing from 2023. So, no, vibe coding didn't become real just last year.

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Post by [deleted] »

douglaswlance wrote: post #38

unless someone shows their threads of prompts or an unedited stream of them working, it's pointless to put any weight into their opinions. this is such an individualized technology that two people at the same starting point two years ago, could've developed wildly different workflows.

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Post by brabel »

SCdF wrote: post #267
GolDDranks wrote: post #219

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The article starts with: > you give it a simple task. You’re impressed. So you give it a large task. You’re even more impressed. That has _never_ been the story for me. I've tried, and I've got some good pointers and hints where to go and what to try, a result of LLM's extensive if shallow reading, but in the sense of concrete problem solving or code/script writing, I'm _always_ di…

I am getting workable code with Claude on a 10kloc Typescript project. I ask it to make plans then execute them step by step. I have yet to try something larger, or something more obscure.

Most agents do that by default now.

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Post by 9rx »

kaydub wrote: post #201
skerit wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article said: > So I’m back to writing by hand for most things. Amazingly, I’m faster, more accurate, more creative, more productive, and more efficient than AI, when you price everything in, and not just code tokens per hour At least he said "most things". I also did "most things" by hand, until Opus 4.5 came out. Now it's doing things in hours I would have worked an entire week on. But it's not a prompt-and-for…

The article and video just feels like another dev poo-pooing LLMs. "vibe coding" didn't really become real until 2025, so how were they vibe coding for 2 years? 2 years ago I couldn't count on an llm to output JSON consistently. Overall the article/video are SUPER ambiguous and frankly worthless.

I successfully vibe coded an app in 2023, soon after VS Code Copilot added the chat feature, although we obviously didn't call it that back then.

I remember being amazed and at the time thinking the game had changed. But I've never been able to replicate it since. Even the latest and greatest models seem to always go off and do something stupid that it can't figure out how to recover from without some serious handholding and critique.

LLMs are basically slot machines, though, so I suppose there has always been a chance of hitting the jackpot.

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Post by apercu »

b33j0r wrote: post #253
GolDDranks wrote: post #219

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. The article starts with: > you give it a simple task. You’re impressed. So you give it a large task. You’re even more impressed. That has _never_ been the story for me. I've tried, and I've got some good pointers and hints where to go and what to try, a result of LLM's extensive if shallow reading, but in the sense of concrete problem solving or code/script writing, I'm _always_ di…

I usually do most of the engineering and it works great for writing the code. I’ll say: > There should be a TaskManager that stores Task objects in a sorted set, with the deadline as the sort key. There should be methods to add a task and pop the current top task. The TaskManager owns the memory when the Task is in the sorted set, and the caller to pop should own it after it is popped. To enforce this, the caller to…

This is similar to how I prompt, except I start with a text file and design the solution and paste it in to an LLM after I have read it a few times. Otherwise, if I type directly in to the LLM and make a mistake it tends to come back and haunt me later.

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Post by Quothling »

candiddevmike wrote: post #36
Quothling wrote: post #25

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I'm an external examiner for CS students in Denmark and I disagree with you. What we need in the industry is software engineers who can think for themselves, can interact with the business and understand it's needs, and, they need to know how computers work. What we get are mass produced coders who have been taught some outdated way of designing and building software that we need to hammer out of them. I don't partic…

> I'm an external examiner for CS students > Hell, I'd even like developers who will know when the code quality doesn't matter because shitty code will cost $2 a year but every hour they spend on it is $100-200. > Except most of the actual computer science parts are gone, replaced with even more OOP, design pattern bullshit. Maybe you should consider a different career, you sound pretty burnt out. There are terrible…

I don't foster the next generations. I hire them. External examiners are people in the industry who are used as examiners to try and match educations with the needs of the industry.

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Post by Quothling »

SoftTalker wrote: post #61
Quothling wrote: post #25

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I'm an external examiner for CS students in Denmark and I disagree with you. What we need in the industry is software engineers who can think for themselves, can interact with the business and understand it's needs, and, they need to know how computers work. What we get are mass produced coders who have been taught some outdated way of designing and building software that we need to hammer out of them. I don't partic…

What is an "external examiner?"

External examiners are people in the industry who are used as examiners to try and match educations with the needs of the industry.

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Post by ahelwer »

GolDDranks wrote: post #266
t55 wrote: post #252

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I don't love these kinds of throwaway comments without any substance, but... "It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It" ...might be my issue indeed. Trying to balance it by not being too stubborn though. I'm not doing AI just to be able to dump on them, you know.

An alternative reading of these comments is "I went to the casino and had a great time! Don't understand how you could have lost money."
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