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Re: Deutsche Telekom is throttling the internet

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Post by mikigraf »

zhouzhao wrote: post #254
chorizoking wrote: post #234

Commenting from my alt to avoid doxxing myself. Have spent over a decade in various 'large' streaming video companies, the ones you absolutely know about today. DTAG is bar none the worst ISP to work with. Everything they do is politics, they may decide to 'forget' to increase the bandwidth on a PNI until you take a meeting with german regulators. Almost every other ISP views PNI as the best way to uphold customer sa…

>I don't think Germans realize just how much DTAG is holding the experience back for end users The ones not on HN probably just notice that their internet is getting slow after 5 p.m Trust me, I know how much they suck and I still had to enter a 2-year contract just to get fiber optics in my house.

I thought I was crazy for thinking that Reddit LinkedIn and half of the internet becomes unusable past 6pm.. now I know why

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Post by kuschku »

dgxyz wrote: post #144
integralid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite (I'm not German but I'm close culturally): * Old Androids are not repairable because they're shit, not because a megacorp works hard to make repair impossible * Old Androids may be hacked by a pegasus-like software (just like most new smartphones anyway), but at least the operating system does not lock you into its own closed ecosystem. You may disagree, and correctly, because it's in part irrational, but m…

I'd believe there was some truth in that if they used any open apps but they just lock themselves into Google's ecosystem instead. All their data is siloed in some US cloud. If you run like that it doesn't matter what phone you use and your privacy and openness arguments are moot.

But people don't use the Google cloud offerings that much, because they're far too expensive anyway :P

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Post by Melatonic »

kebman wrote: post #152
embedding-shape wrote: post #142

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> You don't want a tier 1 carrier as your ISP The best part about ISPs, is that usually who have very few choices, sometimes only one! Where I grew up, we had the choice of "broadband" (via antennas between an island and mainland) with one ISP, or modem with any telephone company. Eventually, proper cables where put, and we had a choice between 6 different operators. Where I live now, I only have 3 options for ISPs w…

ISP “choice” is mostly a meme, yeah. But depending on local rules, you can sometimes route around the monopoly: trench your own last-mile (at least on private land), do a neighborhood co-op, connect buildings, etc. It’s sometimes expensive and you’ll hit permits/right-of-way bureaucracy, but it’s totally doable if you’ve got a few (rich) friends or a business willing to back it. “the conduit is full” is often just BS…

Starry is great here in California - they connect to ISP backbones and then put point to point WiFi on rooftops of apartment buildings. I get 300 down and 200 up (real world) with no throttling or BS. 50$ a month no contract. Very rare goes down and that's in extreme weather (and briefly). Probably better uptime than cable

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Post by franga2000 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #297
franga2000 wrote: post #149

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Calling this "paying to unlock ports" is disingenuous. I'm also a T-2 customer and have run into this before. They block ports on dynamic IPs, but if you pay +2€/mo for static, this is unlocked. This seems reasonable. If you're not paying for static IPv4, you're paying for "internet access", whether that's a rarely chaning dynamic IPv4, a constantly changing IPv4 or full CGNAT. Would you also say your mobile phone op…

> They block ports on dynamic IPs, but if you pay +2€/mo for static, this is unlocked. This seems reasonable. Why does that seem reasonable to you? Why should dynamic IPs not be able to receive incoming connections? It costs them nothing to let those packets through. > disingenuous Bad. > Would you also say your mobile phone operator is violating net neutrality by putting you behind CGNAT that you can't forward arbit…

Firstly, dynamic IPs are quickly reused, so if one customer get an IP onto a bunch of firewall blocklists because they were operating services that got exploited (like an open relay for spam, email backscatter generator, dns that was used for amplification, smb that hosted on-click executable windows malware...), this means some random unrelatimg customer will now have problems with their internet connection. After a while, you could poison a large chunk of the pool, then they have to not just deal with you, but also a bunch of other angry customers as well as beg all the firewall vendors to unblock those IPs.

If you get static, you keep that IP for a while. You suffer the consequences of your bad setup, you have to deal with FW vendors and after you leave, the IP will be offline for long enough that it will probably "cool off".

And secondly, while I don't like it, we need to keep in mind net neutrality was not written for selfhosters. It was written so an ISP can't zero-rate their own streaming service, or block their competitors. It was about internet access, not internet participation. The ownerwhelmimg majority of people are not and don't care to be "on" the internet, they want to "access" things that are on the internet. That's why NAT is still everywhere.

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Post by holowoodman »

direwolf20 wrote: post #293
holowoodman wrote: post #278

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You may either rent/buy a device from your ISP, or you may bring your own, at your discretion. ISPs are required to accept all devices, of course if your device kills the network segment, they will kill your connectivity. But they can't refuse to let you connect.

What happens if your device connects 1000 volts to the cable and fries everyone else's device and the head-end?

You get taken to court and sentenced to pay the damages? Same thing that happens with the TV cable that runs through the whole street. Or the cars parked openly along the road. If you damage it, you pay for it.

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Post by madduci »

zhouzhao wrote: post #251
madduci wrote: post #167

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But how? There is no information about it, which means, it can't be done without any form of reverse engineering

At least for Germany, you can buy the Digitalisierungsbox Glasfasermodem or any other modem. You just have to register it with the DTAG via their hotline.

This is new to me, i didn't know it was possible now

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Post by account42 »

chorizoking wrote: post #234

Commenting from my alt to avoid doxxing myself. Have spent over a decade in various 'large' streaming video companies, the ones you absolutely know about today. DTAG is bar none the worst ISP to work with. Everything they do is politics, they may decide to 'forget' to increase the bandwidth on a PNI until you take a meeting with german regulators. Almost every other ISP views PNI as the best way to uphold customer sa…

Unfortunately, it's not just DTAG but all Internet providers are overpriced crap here.

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Post by notTooFarGone »

chorizoking wrote: post #234

Commenting from my alt to avoid doxxing myself. Have spent over a decade in various 'large' streaming video companies, the ones you absolutely know about today. DTAG is bar none the worst ISP to work with. Everything they do is politics, they may decide to 'forget' to increase the bandwidth on a PNI until you take a meeting with german regulators. Almost every other ISP views PNI as the best way to uphold customer sa…

As a german I hate DTAG with a passion for many many failures in throttling and just for the most expensive prices in europe. I just hate Vodafone more which is a hard thing to achieve but there are no other options in most cities.

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Post by lc5G »

chorizoking wrote: post #234

Commenting from my alt to avoid doxxing myself. Have spent over a decade in various 'large' streaming video companies, the ones you absolutely know about today. DTAG is bar none the worst ISP to work with. Everything they do is politics, they may decide to 'forget' to increase the bandwidth on a PNI until you take a meeting with german regulators. Almost every other ISP views PNI as the best way to uphold customer sa…

How can I learn about which ISPs have better peering and net neutrality etc? Are there websites that keep track of this and compare it?

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Post by hnben »

idiotsecant wrote: post #192
0xcb0 wrote: post #86

Telekom is a bunch of strange folks. I lately was not able to send mails, from my private mail servrr to my fathers telekom mail. After investigation I found out my server got blocked. After a decade of working. I mailed them, and they told me to register my mailserver with them. I shall tell them what mails I will send from there and about what content. I couldn’t believe my eyes. Sure, thats how mail was supposed t…

Does anyone self host email anymore successfully? I'm honestly asking. I would like to but it seems like a full time job trying to keep it running. Are there halfway solutions where maybe you own the service and domain and it runs somewhere trusted?

I selfhost for >10 years, but only for receiving, i.e. I can not send anything from my domain, because I thought that would have been to much stress to set up.

My setup: I have a root server with DNS attached to it. On there is a postfix, with a minimal config that forwards all emails to my real address on posteo.eu. And posteo has not given me any trouble with any of my emails at all.

I use this setup, so I can easily give new email-addresses to individual web services, and it gives me the option to selectively block these addresses.

Last year I brought the big abo from proton, which includes throwaway mailadresses, and I am thinking about migrating my mail setup there.

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