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Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by sethaurus »

usefulposter wrote: post #5

>while Yegge made lots of his own ornate, zoopmorphic [sic] diagrams of Gas Town’s architecture and workflows, they are unhelpful. Primarily because they were made entirely by Gemini’s Nano Banana. And while Nano Banana is state-of-the-art at making diagrams, generative AI systems are still really shit at making illustrative diagrams. They are very hard to decipher, filled with cluttered details, have arrows pointing…

Thrilled to see someone else using a triple-em dash in the wild⸻keep holding the line.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by mh2266 »

joshstrange wrote: post #178
kaydub wrote: post #176

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I feel like it was doing what you're saying about 4-6 months ago. Especially the commenting out tests. Not always but I'd have to do more things step by step and keep the llm on track. Now though, the last 3-4 months, it's writing decent unit tests without much hand holding or refactors.

Hmm, my last experience was within the last 2 months but I'm trying not to write it off as "this sucked and will always suck", that's the #1 reason I keep testing and playing with these things, the capabilities are increasing quickly and what did/didn't work last week (especially "last model") might work this week. I'll keep testing it but that just hasn't been my experience, I sincerely hope that changes because an…

put a `git` script in `PATH` that simply errors out i.e.:

    if "--no-verify" in sys.args:
        println("--no-verify is not allowed, file=sys.stderr)
        sys.exit(1)
and otherwise forwards to the underlying `git`

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Post by fulafel »

phaedrus wrote: post #298

If we had super-smart AI with low latency and fast enough speed, would the perceived need for / usefulness of running multiple agents evaporate? Sure you might want to start working on the prompt or user story for something else while the agent is working on the first thing, but - in my thought experiment here there wouldn't be a "while" because it'd already be done while you're moving your hand off the enter key.

If they are interacting with the the world and tools like web research, compiles, deploys, end2end test runs etc, then no.

(Maybe you can argue that you could then do everything with a event-driven single agent, like async for llms, if you don't mind having a single very adhd context)

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

sarchertech wrote: post #292
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #182

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> Chefs do learn the chemistry, at least enough to know why their techniques work Cooks are idiots (most are either illegal immigrants with no formal education, or substance-abusing degenerates who failed at everything else) who repeat what they're told. They think ridiculous things, like that searing a stake "seals in the juices", or that adding oil to pasta water "prevents sticking", that alcohol completely "cooks…

Cooks also repeatedly cook the exact same recipe designed by someone else over and over again. In our industry cooks are closest to the CPU executing machine code.

With the exception that cooks are actually less reliable (sometimes your steak comes out medium rare, sometimes well done). The human world is chaotic and unreliable, yet we wrangle it into a workable form. I think pretty soon we'll see that paralleled in the AI world, in the same ways we categorize and value human labor and businesses.

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Post by [deleted] »

ewoodrich wrote: post #179
SomaticPirate wrote: post #106

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It isn't though. It crossed the chasm when Steve (who I would like to think is somewhat comfortable after writing a book, holding a director level position at several startups) decided to endorse an outright crypto pump and dump. When he decided to monetize the eyeballs on the project instead of anything related to the engineering. Which, of course, Steve isn't smart enough to understand (in his own words) and he rec…

Okay yeah, not great... https://steve-yegge.medium.com/bags-and-the-creator-economy-...

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by madhadron »

csallen wrote: post #256
hyperpape wrote: post #97

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> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

These are some very tortured interpretations you're making. - "what's next" does not mean "production quality" and is in no way mutually exclusive with "experimental". It means exactly what it says, which is that what comes next in the evolution of LLM-based coding is orchestration of numerous agents. It does not somehow mean that his orchestrator writes production-grade code and I don't really understand why one wou…

> Copy-paste his post into any LLM and ask it whether the post is contradictory or whether it's ambiguous whether this is production-grade software or not. No objective reader of this would come to the conclusion that it's ambiguous or misleading.

That's hilarious! You might want to add a bit more transition for the joke before the other points above, though.

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Post by matkoniecz »

kaydub wrote: post #284
direwolf20 wrote: post #276

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Are we measuring productivity by lines of code again? This was treated as unserious for decades.

Why ignore where I mention engineering impact??? Come on, be real here

Probably because you mentioned "git stats".

What you meant by that?

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Post by matkoniecz »

eikenberry wrote: post #233
radlad wrote: post #38

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After listening to Yegge's interview, I'm not sure this is accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuJyJP517Uw For example, he makes a comment to the effect that anyone using an IDE to look at code in 2026 is a "bad engineer."

Hyperbole is very common.

In LLM field things move so fast that distinguishing accurate statements, mistaken statements, jokes and lies is hard.

A result, hyperbole is more annoying than usual.

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Post by cap11235 »

lupire wrote: post #230
meowface wrote: post #144

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It's a half-joke. No need to take it that seriously or that jokingly. It's mostly only grifters and cryptocurrency scammers claiming it's amazing. I think ideas from it will probably partially inspire future, simpler systems.

stevey already made $300K from cryptocurrency grift on Gas Town. Read his blog post about it.

People keep giving him the benefit of the doubt. "He's clearly on to something, I just don't know what". I know what. The hustle of the shill. He has long gone from 'let's use a lot of tokens' to seeking a high score. He disgusts me.
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