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Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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>>I fully support the US taking Greenland by non-military means. Makes sense economically and militarily. So their own wishes on the topic don't matter? Also I cannot think of many worse fates for Danes than becoming American, yeah I'm sure they can't wait to have their privatised healthcare and Gestapo policing. What Americans want in this scenario matters less than what Russians want in regards to Ukraine. >>The Da…

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This isn’t really about Greenland’s strategic value; it’s about the category error. You can trade goods, sign treaties, and negotiate basing rights. You can’t “buy” a people or their sovereignty especially when they don’t consent. That’s why Europe responds with process and principle: normalize coercion-as-bargaining among allies and you’re reviving a pre-1945 model of politics Europe built institutions to prevent. I…

The US has some grace here as most of the negative feelings towards it dies with it's government.

You're going to pick better next time, right?

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I think Mexico should take back California. They need it, and I’m sure they appreciate it more.

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Like most things.. risk-reward.. and different times. 180 years ago, the dollar and power was different.

Right now? Trump is risking a worldwar trying to save the dollar/energy/make the history books.

They can take Texas back while they're at it. Or perhaps Elon wants to take it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are getting downvoted because people see their own reflection in that statement. And they don't like what they are seeing.

It is getting downvoted because it is a well known silly trope. Generally, success reinforces itself. That’s why there have been a bunch of countries that have had multi-generational streaks of repeated success. Eventually, this feedback look can fail, but it isn’t on some predictable four generation pattern.

> Eventually, this feedback look can fail, but it isn’t on some predictable four generation pattern.

Actually, it kind of is.

See The Fourth Turning and any other book based on the Strauss-Howe generational theory.

Is this theory air-tight and inviolable? No. Does it more or less support this “silly trope”? Yes. I think it’s safe to say that it is directionally correct.

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The USA decimated its own native populations, so how is it better than Denmark?

You illustrate my point exactly - we are all awful colonialists. No one has a moral claim on Greenland.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Had Merkel not opened the border in 2015, Germany would be far worse off. If you ever set foot into a German retirement home, hospital, restaurant, random shop at the central station, cinema, xmas market, you name it, you realize that all those immigrants are currently carrying the economy. She should get a prize for this instead of being blamed. Even if you don't care about the moral aspect of helping refugees.

In Germany, 23% of the people in working age, don't work [1]. The "refugees are carrying the economy", because you are effectively paying 23% of the local working age population (I'm here assuming you aren't paying refugees to go there and not work, right?) to slack. Remove their benefits and see how quickly you don't need to import people to do those jobs.

And no, I don't care about the "moral aspect" of not "helping refugees". If you care, you welcome them into your own place.

Also, notice how you didn't go into the gas deals Merkel did with Russia and forced upon the rest of the EU.

[1]: https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/employment-rate

EDIT: 23%

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The Americans on HN driving tech, science and innovation are enabling Trump to do this. Without you he would be nothing. Where is your integrity? Do you think having no allies makes you more safe? Is this really the world you want?

How are US tech folks more enabling Trump than anybody else who pays tax there?

"Elon Musk, the world’s richest man, spent more than $290 million supporting Donald Trump and his MAGA allies on the campaign trail last year." [1]

"Exclusive: How Palantir's Alex Karp went full MAGA" [2]

Look at All In Podcast - tech VCs - they are all in support of this administration.

[1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

[2] https://www.axios.com/2025/10/23/trump-alex-karp-palantir-ma...

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Sigh... this is real life and I hate it as an American. The Danes had over 50 [1] Danish lives wasted in the NATO mission in Afghanistan and Iraq and this is how we pay the Danes back when they had America's back, paid in blood. Its so disappointing and tragic. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crmjewpkje9o

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