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Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by callc »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #135
fwlr wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are costs to doing ads (e.g. it burns social/political capital that could be used to defuse scandals or slow down hostile legislation, it consumes some fraction of your employees’ work hours, it may discourage some new talent from joining).

You have AGI, why do you care about new talent? You have AGI to do the ads. You have AGI to pick the best ads. Isn't that the pitch of AGI? Solve any problems?

Yes. Infinite low cost intelligence labor to replace those pesky humans!

Really reminds me of the economics of slavery. Best way for line to go up is the ultimate suppression and subjugation of labor!

Hypothetically can lead to society free to not waste their life on work, but pursue their passions. Most likely it’ll lead to plantation-style hungry-hungry-hippo ruling class taking the economy away from the rest of us

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Post by pfortuny »

owebmaster wrote: post #280
rimbo789 wrote: post #263

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So we know then for sure they will do it. I don’t trust Altman to tell me the colour of the sky.

That's not the important point, it's that they are already at their last resort

It was always the only resort. The best, the worst, the first, the last, the richest, the poorest. The only one.

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Post by fsflover »

prmoustache wrote: post #167
fsflover wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the actual solution is to ban ads through regulation, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43595269

I am all for it but it would be hard to enforce. Ads are already hidden everywhere. Someone "review" a product? Most of the time it is a hidden ad even if the reviewer hasn't been paid with money for that. Watches a movie or a video clip? A lots of products are advertised through close ups on the logos, etc.

If there is a payment, there is a good chance to track it.

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Post by Mordisquitos »

stingraycharles wrote: post #271
emil-lp wrote: post #234

The title is actually The A in AGI stands for Ads Not Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

It was this title before, so it was intentionally changed; I wonder why.

My guess as to why it was changed was that it doesn't really work as a pithy quip the moment you actually think about it.

OpenAI is introducing ads on their purported path from "AI" to "AGI"... hence the "A" was already accounted for in the acronym. If only "Ads" started with "G"!

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Post by gruez »

roughly wrote: post #300
gruez wrote: post #292

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>This is why nobody takes economists seriously. What you lose in simplifying down to this model is literally everything. The coconut economy has zero predictive power. A simplified model is needed otherwise rigorous analysis becomes impossible, and people make handwavy arguments about how paying workers more means they can spend more, which means factories, and it's a perpetual growth machine! >we’re already massivel…

> A simplified model is needed otherwise rigorous analysis becomes impossible If your tools aren’t capable of rigorous analysis of a model that retains enough detail to capture the salient features of the thing they’re trying to model, they’re not the tools for the job.

What's the "salient feature" that's missing? From all the other replies it sounds like people are still relying on the handwavy argument that "pay workers more -> workers spend more -> you can pay workers more -> repeat", but can't articulate where the actual growth is coming from. If this is true, the communism would have beaten capitalism, because they would be able to exploit this better than any capitalist system, but obviously that didn't happen.

Overall this feels like troll physics[1]. Yes, the idea that having a magnet pull you forward, which itself is pushed forward by you moving forward sounds superficially plausible as well, but it doesn't pencil out in reality. The only difference is that "the economy" is complex enough it's non-trivial to disprove, and people can handwave away any objections.

[1] https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/74256-troll-science-troll-ph...

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Post by antisthenes »

sooheon wrote: post #147
cyanydeez wrote: post #136

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Rent seeking is all Capitalism is about. They call it a moat.

This is misuse of language. Rent seeking is anti-competitive by definition. The current system, as far as it encourages and rewards rent seeking, is anti-capitalist.

It isn't.

Both perfectly competitive markets and monopolistic markets are part of the broad term capitalism.

Capital consolidates over time and seeks to influence policy-makers to create anti-competitive regulations.

Every single time.

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Post by dang »

emil-lp wrote: post #234

The title is actually The A in AGI stands for Ads Not Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

This is standard HN moderation. The title was linkbait, so we changed it.

From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait". Note the unless.

When we do this, we try to find a representative phrase from the article itself that accurately and neutrally represents what the article is about. There is nearly always one of those if you look for it. In this way, we (mostly) avoid having to make up wording of our own, which is something we don't like to do.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by roughly »

gruez wrote: post #305
roughly wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A simplified model is needed otherwise rigorous analysis becomes impossible If your tools aren’t capable of rigorous analysis of a model that retains enough detail to capture the salient features of the thing they’re trying to model, they’re not the tools for the job.

What's the "salient feature" that's missing? From all the other replies it sounds like people are still relying on the handwavy argument that "pay workers more -> workers spend more -> you can pay workers more -> repeat", but can't articulate where the actual growth is coming from. If this is true, the communism would have beaten capitalism, because they would be able to exploit this better than any capitalist system…

> What's the "salient feature" that's missing?

As it sits, all of the members of your coconut economy are going to be dead of malnutrition or exposure in relatively short order, so maybe address that and then we can work our way up to the flaws in the economic theory that drove the greatest wealth expansion and boom in consumer spending the world has ever seen.

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by dang »

owebmaster wrote: post #277
stingraycharles wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was this title before, so it was intentionally changed; I wonder why.

Because the title of the post should match the title of the submission - unless the mods dislike it, then it'll be changed to something else.

The mods dislike many titles but only change some of them. We also like some of the ones we change!

That's because there's a principle involved. It's not hard to find: see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46671377 nearby.

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by phailhaus »

I do not understand why this is a big deal. There is no world in which ads are embedded in LLM answers, because you'd need another LLM to determine whether the "placement" was correct and included all the information that the advertiser wanted (and it still won't work 100%). They are putting ads on the side, like they've always done, leveraging all the tech that already exists to do this. This is pretty much a no-brainer for OpenAI and any AI company.
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