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Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Re: Canada slashes 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs to 6%

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #205
toomuchtodo wrote: post #74

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> Yeah thee was never any competing with china, our industry just relies on our market using different values to purchase a car. This is patently false. The US could have competed with China if it had maintained investments spinning up battery manufacturing and downstream systems to build EVs at scale, while subsidizing EVs (fossil fuels are subsidized to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars per year [1]) and…

I've always gotten the impression that China is becoming a technological manufacturing powerhouse because of massive investment by the Chinese government, whereas America is falling behind because the government giving grants to corporations is incredibly unpopular because of the belief that the investment is just going to get pocketed by the CEO and board of directors and spent on stock buybacks rather than the deve…

Where do you think that money came from... American consumers. It was a race to the bottom and for the last few decades, the bottom was China.

The new bottom has been moving to Vietnam, etc.

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Post by cactacea »

csours wrote: post #122
cactacea wrote: post #83

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This is entirely incorrect. You cannot permanently import or register a vehicle which has not undergone homologation. None of these vehicles have been certified to meet US safety standards and they cannot be imported permanently.

Simple and legal are different matters. There's a BYD parked in my neighborhood pretty often (Central Texas) with Mexico plates. I have no idea how "permanent" it is, and yet there it is.

I live in southern Arizona. My next door neighbor is Mexican and also owns a BYD. Longest he can keep it here is 90 days:

https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1686

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Post by Retric »

bgirard wrote: post #75
Retric wrote: post #57

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Cars last ~25 years, 49,000 * 25 = 1.2 million Chinese EV’s on the road in a steady state. Not such as huge shift in total, but EV’s are still a small percentage of total vehicle sales in Canada.

~25 years isn't the average when you account for accidents, rust, and useful economic life of a car. We had 200+ car crashes due to weather in a single day this week in Waterloo, Ontario.

The average car in Canada is 10.5 years old, in a steady state you double that to 2 * 10.5 =21 years lifespan on average. However the country isn’t in a steady state in 2005 there where 33.5 million people in Canada in 2025 that hit 41.5 million.

So because the number of new cars purchased each year is increasing the average age is significantly below 1/2 the average car’s lifespan.

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Post by spixy »

ortusdux wrote: post #246
nrjames wrote: post #231

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I always wonder why people settle on a number like 49,000 when 50,000 is sitting right there, looking you in the face.

Same reason they set prices at $49.95

No. The reason $49.95 works because $4x.xx price on first look looks better than $5x.xx price ($50.00).

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Post by Analemma_ »

irishcoffee wrote: post #115
HNisCIS wrote: post #12

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This x1000, I hope this really turns the screws on the US manufacturers, they need to hurt.

I suppose you realize the people running those manufacturing companies won't be hurt much at all, everyone who scrapes by trying to making a living work for them will hurt a lot when they get fired.

The UAW endorsed the guy currently threatening to invade and annex Canada. Why would I care about them? They can all rot. No Chinese autoworker ever threatened me with invasion.

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Post by bparsons »

anvuong wrote: post #243
pjc50 wrote: post #234

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That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

Ask every American AI company what they think of IP protections. Apparently all intellectual property is fair game now.

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Post by kolbe »

ActorNightly wrote: post #262
pjc50 wrote: post #234

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That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

>The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada. The thing about China is that they are basically hard on the up slope of their advancement as a society/economy/nation, just like US was post ww2. US on the other hand, has flatlined to the point where we think stuff like trans athletes in sports are a drastic enough reason to elect a president who is a c…

The US definitely peaked a long time ago, and we're in the slow demise phase of its empire, but I think China has already peaked as well. They have the same obesity and consumerism crises that have plagued the US. Add to that a demographic implosion, and I think the best they can do is hope for 20 more years.

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Post by bahmboo »

mekdoonggi wrote: post #224
bahmboo wrote: post #204

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My gut reaction is there is no way China is setting up vehicle manufacturing or assembly in Canada because the American President would go absolutely nuts. Canada is increasing ties and joint ventures with Canada but manufacturing would be a bridge too far for our little man in the White House.

Maybe Canada inks a deal to allow Mexican manufactured Chinese EV's?

Now that would be hilarious!

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Post by mindslight »

anvuong wrote: post #243
pjc50 wrote: post #234

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That's basically it. The Chinese government views the rest of the world through Hobbesian self interest, but in the late 20th century financial way. They want your money, but lawfully. The US has turned into something much more vindictive and unpredictable, including threatening to invade Canada.

Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

The Chinese can just request IPs from APNIC too, you know. Or are you referencing the shenanigans with AFRNIC? That still isn't stealing them from companies and universities though. Is there some ongoing mass BGP route hijacking I'm not aware of?
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