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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lossyalgo »

jamespo wrote: post #161
schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117

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And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

Try running windows 11 on old CPUs, or machines without secure boot / TPM 2.0.

That's because TPM 2.0 module allows M$ to uniquely identify you and sell your info to advertisers - it's not an actual technical limitation, it's just because M$ is greedy, and it's a shame they aren't punished by governments for creating all this unnecessary eWaste just to make even more cash.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by dawnerd »

greenavocado wrote: post #50
mapontosevenths wrote: post #25

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The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the…

- TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot…

FYI you can change the taskbar alignment.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by qnleigh »

flufluflufluffy wrote: post #184
mixel wrote: post #3

It's not shocking they added even more bloatware to every microsoft program so even with the same OS kernel it would probably take longer. At this point it also got out of hand for Microsoft themselves if you have heard how they are going to speed up the explorer. Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, there are 20 years of technical debt in I think you cannot save this anymore…

One random little thing to add on to the list of shitty things about Windows 11: the new default image-viewing program (Photos), is incapable of rendering multi-page TIFF files. No error message or anything, just displays the first page and acts like everything’s fine. The OLD image viewing program (Windows Photo Viewer), displays them no problem though…

These kinds of issues can be incredibly disruptive and distressing for non tech-savy users. You update your OS and suddenly it looks like a lot of your data are corrupted, with no explanation of how to get it back.

Forcing saving to OneDrive causes this issue a lot too. I was stunned to find that saving changes to an existing document will often try to save a new file in OneDrive instead. So if you don't notice this and go back to your original file, it will look like your changes weren't saved.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by thesnide »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #102
thesnide wrote: post #21

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I'm now even using wine & proton for it. Thanks to Valve only very few games don't work. And it's not that i don't like windows, it is just too damn slow for me. And no. I do not want to upgrade my gear every 2 years or so

All the games that "don't work" are the games that PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY! It's always hardcore multiplayer games with the actual crowd. Using linux for gaming is a great way to continue down the path to becoming a recluse.

I actually don't like to play with random people on the internet.

I prefer the comfort of knowing them, and usually do it in the old basement LAN party way.

In my young time we didn't have internet, and we were actually LESS recluse overall ;-)

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by lossyalgo »

mycall wrote: post #282
quacked wrote: post #261

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I dug out my dad's Windows 98 era PC that he was running Windows 2000 on that we hadn't turned on since 2011, and it felt lightning-fast compared to W10 and W11. Double-click to open apps and they appear, ready to type in. It felt like I was on some kind of futuristic prototype.

Some of that is all the security apparatus in W10/11 which 2000 doesn't have. So many CVEs since 2000.

Yeah but how much faster is hardware since then? M.2 SSDs, lots more GHz + cores, fast GPUs, etc. Everything is way faster and should more than make up for those security checks IMO.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by anthk »

api wrote: post #83
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

The reason for this is that it's hard to hire native UI developers, but easy to hire web devs. Something like 90% of all new devs today learn only cloud-native backend dev or web frontend dev. The only exceptions tends to be mobile and game developers. Collectively cloud+web, mobile, and games account for like 98% of all new devs it seems. Nobody learns anything else. The web is going to become the desktop UI in the…

Linux? You mean the C nest? KDE and QT (the default serious framework) with C++?

You pushed ActiveX on the web, and viceversa with IE4 and Windows98. Now, the web turd came back with Electron. If any, thanks Microsoft for that.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by UltraMagnus »

jl6 wrote: post #172

Ah, an opportunity to call upon Hacker News, tech support of last resort… Someone please tell me if there’s a trick to making the Windows snipping tool faster. I press Win+Shift+S to activate the tool for capturing a region. It takes about 2 seconds to load. I draw the rectangle. Then it takes about 2 seconds to finish capturing. That is 4 infuriating seconds for something that should be (and I’m sure used to be!) vi…

Ditch the snipping tool, and try my favorite screen capture tool, FastStone Capture: https://www.faststone.org/FSCaptureDetail.htm

I am not associated with this software, just a very happy user. You get a lifetime license for $20, it's constantly updated with new features, and is a joy to use.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by novaleaf »

brewmarche wrote: post #287
novaleaf wrote: post #258

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I see you were fortunate enough to not use notepad aprox 5 months ago, when they were running the rich formatting preview. It was on by default, and would drop around 5% of the characters you type. Literally failing at the only thing it's supposed to do. I repro'd this on 2 out of 2 machines. Maybe they fixed it, maybe they haven't. I both turned off formatting and am using vscode for notes now.

I think I had to disable spellcheck to fix the ignored keystrokes, it happened even after disabling formatting

ahh, it might have been spellcheck then. I turned off all that stuff. In the heat of the moment, maybe I was a bit too angry to do proper root cause analysis :P

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by anthk »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #117
steve1977 wrote: post #101

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macOS has Cocoa since 2000, which is still useable, and SwiftUI since a few years. No comparison to the mess of UI toolkits on Windows.

And what about Carbon? Gone. 32-bit apps? Gone. PowerPC stuff? Anything more than a few years old? Forget it. You can't even run versions of iPhoto or iTunes after they deliberately broke them and replaced them with objectively shittier equivalents. Their own apps! Windows can still run programs from the 90s unmodified. There are VB6 apps from 1998 talking to Access databases still running small businesses today. Can…

With GNU/Linux and BSD I just recompile. I can run old C stuff from the 90's with few flags.

Under GNU/Linux, the VB6 counterpart would be TCL/Tk+SQlite, which would run nearly the same over almost 25-30 years.

As a plus, I can run my code with any editor and the TCL/Tk dependencies will straightly run on both XP, Mac, BSD and GNU/Linux with no propietary chains ever, or worse, that Visual Studio monstruosity. A simple editor will suffice and IronTCL weights less than 100MB and that even bundled with some tool, as BFG:

https://codeberg.org/luxferre/BFG

IronTCL:

https://www.irontcl.com/index.html

Good luck finding some VB5/6 runtime libraries out there without being a virii nest.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Spivak »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #196
golden-face wrote: post #153

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Can you expand on this? For example details on any tools to do this. I've been trying to disable features I know use resources and aren't needed but the native UIs to do it are hella confusing and feel purposely useless.

Google "windows 11 debloat reddit". There are several tools: - https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat (recommended elsewhere in this thread) - https://christitus.com/windows-tool/ (I used this one a couple weeks ago, seems to work well) But seriously though, learn to fish. The answers aren't hard to find if you look, know what to search for, and are at least somewhat discriminating in your investigation.

I say go one step further and learn to fish harder and don't use any of these scripts. I can't even imagine trying to debug an issue on my machine after running one of these "makes arbitrary changes" scripts.

Do it all manually if for no other reason than you know all the changes you made and know where all the different settings actually are.

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