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ChatGPT Health is a marketplace, guess who is the product?

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Post by DangitBobby »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #153
cm2012 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take a mysterious and amorphous future risk of privacy violations any day over current chronic pain.

It’s not mysterious and amorphous. We have seen the results with social media for what? 15 years now? This is a known issue with clear parallels. And health data is way riskier to have floating around.

I have chronic back pain that everyone knows about. It's not a privacy issue for people to know about it, why would it be? Genuinely don't understand how that gives a shadowy cabal of information brokers leverage over me.

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Post by DangitBobby »

DudeOpotomus wrote: post #49
azan_ wrote: post #11

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> Dystopian and frankly, gross. Its amazing to me that so many people are willing to give up control over their lives and in this case, their bodies, for the smallest inkling of ease. I've read people with chronic conditions reporting that chatgpt actually helped them land correct diagnosis that doctors did not consider so people are not just using that for "inkling of ease".

Yes, trading your privacy and autonomy for perceived ease is how they are going to steal your future and your freedom.

Genuinely curious, what happens to me if the wrong people know about my chronic back pain and GERD?

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Post by DangitBobby »

DudeOpotomus wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #16

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How is someone seeking for a way to deal with an inherited or environmentally caused illness giving up control of their body?

You will be assigned an individualized risk figure that will determine whether or not you are given coverage and treatment. Those decisions will happen without you or any MDs involvement. You will never know it happened and it will follow you for the rest of your life and your children's lives.

If they are willing to exert this level of indiscretion with privately sold data, I don't see why they wouldn't just use black market PHA in the absence of availability of the former.

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Post by DangitBobby »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #165
wiseowise wrote: post #35

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Don’t forget that majority of the commenters on this platform live in a country that views suffering in pain from incurable disease as a “god intended way” (and a horse dose of morphine). Take it with a grain of salt.

Setting aside that you're factually incorrect, this sort of negative stereotyping of others based on their nationality (or ethnicity, or race) is inappropriate, especially on this forum. We don't need more bigotry here.

It's incorrect to notice that citizens of nations have commonly shared cultural beliefs and that affects their individual and aggregate behaviors in predictable ways? Interesting.

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Post by DangitBobby »

_qua wrote: post #38
kaffekaka wrote: post #7

Once again, glad to live in Europe.

If you lived in the US and you didn't like this product, you can just choose to not use it. What benefit do you as a citizen of Europe derive from having this withheld from you?

Just like you can choose not to have a bank, any credit lines, a smartphone, or a car: only by arranging your entire life around those decisions or keeping close someone who has those things.

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Post by DetectDefect »

carlosjobim wrote: post #293
DetectDefect wrote: post #84

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> It is inconceivable for this demographic to think of a product that can enrich both the corporation and the users. Would you care to provide an example of such a product, to dissuade this perceived demographic cohort? I am not so certain your creative name calling will yield much results, however.

> Would you care to provide an example of such a product Go to a pharmacy and look at the shelves and you will find such products. All made by companies looking for a profit. Or just look everywhere around you, and you will see things made by corporation for their profit, which you have purchased to enrich your own life.

A pharmacy is a terrible example, as medicine is grossly overpriced for exactly the reason you state. The "users" may be getting "enriched" but the pharmacy is profiting a substantial order of magnitude more.

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Post by Aurornis »

nyrikki wrote: post #241
Aurornis wrote: post #227

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> and the reason no one is called out for "buying Google searches and denying applicants for searching for naughty words" is because it is trivial to make legal. Citation needed for a claim of this magnitude. > It is well documented in many many places, people just don't care. Yes, please share documentation of companies buying search data and rejecting candidates for it. Like most conspiracy theories, there are a lo…

Like most cults, you ignore direct links with cites from multiple governments agencies, but here is another. https://www.upturn.org/work/comments-to-the-cfpb-on-data-bro... > Most employers we examined used an ATS capable of integrating with a range of background screening vendors, including those providing social media screens, criminal background checks, credit checks, drug and health screenings, and I-9 and E-Veri…

Where in your post are Google searches used?

Can you answer this question without walls of unrelated text, ad hominem attacks (saying I’m in a cult), or link bombing links that don’t answer the question?

It’s a simple question. You keep insisting there’s an answer and trying to ad hominem me for not knowing it, but you consistently cannot show it.

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Post by carlosjobim »

DetectDefect wrote: post #306
carlosjobim wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would you care to provide an example of such a product Go to a pharmacy and look at the shelves and you will find such products. All made by companies looking for a profit. Or just look everywhere around you, and you will see things made by corporation for their profit, which you have purchased to enrich your own life.

A pharmacy is a terrible example, as medicine is grossly overpriced for exactly the reason you state. The "users" may be getting "enriched" but the pharmacy is profiting a substantial order of magnitude more.

How could any pharmaceutical seller profit more than a patient whose life is saved by medicine?

There is no profit that is larger than your survival and your health. It's not even comparable. How can you value money above your own life?

Besides, most life saving and health saving medicine is cheap, so it doesn't matter if some revolutionary committee thinks they are "overpriced".

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Post by gordian-mind »

stevekemp wrote: post #188
gordian-mind wrote: post #95

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Doctors in Europe already use LLMs to treat you.

That sounds like the kind of hallucinated statement you might expect from ChatGPT. Which doctors, in which countries, are using LLMs to treat patients?

My experience with ChatGPT is that it rarely dares to make short, generalizing, opinionated statements without an excruciating amount of hedging.

Doctors pay subscriptions for specialized software that relies on LLMs enriched with medical context. But like other professionals, they also use ChatGPT as a search engine and verify what it tells them by virtue of being, well, doctors.

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