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Post by gmadsen »

nomel wrote: post #277
mlmonkey wrote: post #156

My uncle had an issue with his balance and slurred speech. Doctors claimed dementia and sent him home. It kept becoming worse and worse. Then one day I entered the symptoms in ChatGPT (or was it Gemini?) and asked it for the top 3 hypotheses. The first one was related to dementia. The second was something else (I forget the long name). I took all 3 to his primary care doc who had kept ignoring the problem, and asked…

General doctors aren't trained for problem solving, they're trained for memorization. The doctors that are good at problem solving aren't general doctors.

You still need 2 deviations above the average college student to get to med school. As a rough proxy for intelligence. The bottom threshold for doctors is certainly higher than lawyers

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Post by mrweasel »

125123wqw1212 wrote: post #255
dyauspitr wrote: post #246

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I mean if someone talked to you your whole life assuming you are autistic,that's kind of fucked up ?

ChatGPT is, to my knowledge, trained on Reddit and at least certain sub-reddits are basically people (or bots) telling others that they probably have ADHD/ADD. These are the "AskReddit" type of sub-reddit. There's a Danish subreddit for everyday questions (advise column style posts), and like 80% of people there are apparently either autistic or have ADHD.

So I'm not entirely surprised that an LLM would start assuming that the user have ADD, because that's what part of it's training data suggests it should.

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

simianwords wrote: post #273
blipvert wrote: post #180

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Maybe time to ask AI why you’re looking for a technical solution rather than addressing the gaslighting that has left you with such piss-poor medical care in the richest country on earth?

Maybe time to use a genuinely useful tech instead of trying to solve an actual hard problem by handwaving difficult problems?

Seems to me like the "difficult problem" is solved in pretty much every other rich country in the world.

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Post by nadam »

klardotsh wrote: post #295
nadam wrote: post #293

I am amazed at the false dichotomy (ChatGPT vs. Doctors) discussed in the comments. Let's look at it from the perspective of how a complex software is developed with a team of software engineers and with AI assistance. There is GitHub, Slack discussions, Pull Request, reviews, agents, etc... Why a patient's health cannot be seen this way? Version controlled source code -> medical records, health data Slack channels -…

I think you vastly overestimate the number of orgs using “agents” at all in software development, let alone as an active part of the review process for code, and ESPECIALLY the number who consider such bots equally valuable contributors to humans. They are tools, they are sometimes useful tools in particular domains and on particular teams, but your comment reads like one that assumes they are universally agreed upon…

You put the "agent" word into apostrophes as if I use it as a marketing buzzword. No. An agent is an LLM in a loop with memory usage, with file system access, etc, which is usually more effective than just using an LLM as is, especially if you orchestrate these agents and subagents in a good way. In my opinion using the word 'ChatGPT' (a specific user-facing LLM brand) in these discussions is much more buzzwordy than using the word agent.

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Post by sensanaty »

cyberpunk wrote: post #91
defphysics wrote: post #59

There’s a lot of negativity here. I’ll just say I’m extremely glad I had ChatGPT when I was going through some health issues last year.

Yep same, with the caveat that any actionable advice requires actual research from reliable sources afterwards (or at least making it cite sources). i mean; i kinda get the concerns about misleading people but … are people really that dumb? okay if it’s telling you to drink more water, common sense. If you’re scrubbing up to perform an at home leg amputation because it misidentified a bruise then that’s really on you…

> are people really that dumb?

Yes, absolutely. The US has measles back in rotation because people are "self-educating" (aka taking to heart whatever idiocy they read online without a 2nd thought), and you think people self diagnosing with a sycophant sentence generator is anything but a recipe for disaster?

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Post by immibis »

mountainriver wrote: post #141
paulgrimes1 wrote: post #41

Here’s something: my chatGPT quietly assumed I had ADHD for around 9 months, up until October 2025. I don’t suffer from ADHD. I only found out through an answer that began “As you have ADHD..” I had it stop right there, and asked it to tell me exactly where it got this information; the date, the title of the chat, the exact moment it took this data on as an attribute of mine. It was unable to specify any of it, aside…

Machine learning has been used in healthcare forever now

Machine learning isn't ChatGPT

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Post by Flere-Imsaho »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #196
cyral wrote: post #170

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Getting a potential answer right away is certainly temping over waiting weeks to get an appointment

You have to wait weeks to be seen by a family doctor?

In the uk, yes.

And then 6⁺ months to be seen be a specialist.

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Post by Vegenoid »

NuclearPM wrote: post #148
_qua wrote: post #101

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> Most doctor advice boil down to drink some water and take a painkiller Forgive my brusqueness here, but this could only be written by someone who has not yet been seriously ill.

Brusqueness? More like insensitivity, lack of empathy, and ignorance. My 12 year old daughter (correctly) diagnosed herself to a food allergy after multiple trips to the ER for stomach pains that resulted in “a few Tylenol/Advil with a glass of water”.

This isn't a criticism of you, I don't know your full story. But I think many people have a misconception of the role of an ER. I know an ER doctor well, and the role of an ER is to, in approximate order of priority:

1. Prevent someone from dying

2. Treat severe injuries

3. Identify if what someone is experiencing is life-threatening or requires immediate treatment to prevent their condition worsening

4. Provide basic treatment and relief for a condition which is determined not to be an imminent threat

In particular, they are not for diagnosing chronic conditions. If an ER determines that someone's stomach pain is not an imminent, severe threat to their health, then they are sending them out of the ER with medication for short-term relief in order to make room for people who are having an emergency. The ER doc I know gets very annoyed at recurring patients who expect the ER to help them diagnose and treat their illness. If you go the ER, they send you home, and the thing happens again, make an appointment with a physician (and also go to the ER if you think it's serious).

Unfortunately, the medical system is very confusing and difficult to navigate. This is a big part of why so many people end up at ERs who should be making appointments with non-emergency doctors - finding a doctor and making appointments is often hard and stressful, while an ER will look at anyone who walks through the doors.

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Post by h1fra »

roger_ wrote: post #22

I personally don’t care who has access to my health data, but I understand those who might. Either way, I’m excited for some actual innovation in the personal health field. Apple Health is more about aggregating data than actually producing actionable insights. 23andme was mostly useless. Today I have a ChatGPT project with my health history as a system prompt and it’s been very helpful. Recently I snapped a photo of…

I was going to be mad at this, but I remember our doctors are already using it without our consent

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Post by fragmede »

intended wrote: post #220
mountainriver wrote: post #144

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Doctors are wrong all the time as well. There are quite a few studies on this. I would in no way trust a doctor over ChatGPT at this point. At least with ChatGPT I can ask it to cite the sources proving its conclusions. Then I can verify them. I can’t do that with a doctor it’s all “trust me bro”

You can sue doctors for malpractice.

Money from a lawsuit is nice but I'd rather get better than have the money.
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