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Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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> And by the way, training your monster on data produced in part by my own hands, without attribution or compensation. > To the others: I apologize to the world at large for my inadvertent, naive if minor role in enabling this assault. this is my position too, I regret every single piece of open source software I ever produced and I will produce no more

What a miserable attitude. When you put something out in the world it's out there for anyone to use and always has been before AI.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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OT https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io Does anybody know if Bluesky block people without account by default, or if this user intentionally set it this way? What's is the point of blocking access? Mastodon doesn't do that. This reminds me of Twitter or Instagram, using sleezy techniques to get people to create accounts.

It's a standard feature on web forums.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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> And by the way, training your monster on data produced in part by my own hands, without attribution or compensation. > To the others: I apologize to the world at large for my inadvertent, naive if minor role in enabling this assault. this is my position too, I regret every single piece of open source software I ever produced and I will produce no more

Unfortunately as I see it, even if you want to contribute to open source out of a pure passion or enjoyment, they don't respect the licenses that are consumed. And the "training" companies are not being held liable. Are there any proposals to nail down an open source license which would explicitly exclude use with AI systems and companies?

Even if you license it prohibiting AI use, how would you litigate against such uses? An open source project can't afford the same legal resources that AI firms have access to.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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This is by a long way the worst thread I’ve ever seen on hacker news.

So far all the comments are whataboutism (“he works for an ad company”, “he flies to conferences”, “but alfalfa beans!”) and your comment is dismissing Rob Pike as borderline crazy and irrational for using Bluesky?

None of this dialogue contributes in any meaningful way to anything. This is like reading the worst dredge of lesser forums.

I know my comment isn’t much better, but someone has to point out this is beneath this community.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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> And by the way, training your monster on data produced in part by my own hands, without attribution or compensation. > To the others: I apologize to the world at large for my inadvertent, naive if minor role in enabling this assault. this is my position too, I regret every single piece of open source software I ever produced and I will produce no more

What people like Rob Pike don't understand is that the technology wouldn't be possible at all if creators needed to be compensated. Would you really choose a future where creators were compensated fairly, but ChatGPT didn't exist?

Absolutely. Was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha?

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Did Google, the company currently paying Rob Pike's extravagant salary, just start building data centers in 2025? Before 2025 was Google's infra running on dreams and pixie farts with baby deer and birdies chirping around? Why are the new data centers his company is building suddenly "raping the planet" and "unrecyclable"?

They claim they have net zero carbon footprint, or carbon neutrality.

In reality what they do is pay "carbon credits" (money) to some random dude that takes the money and does nothing with it. The entire carbon credit economy is bullshit.

Very similar to how putting recyclables in a different color bin doesn't do shit for the environment in practice.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Did Google, the company currently paying Rob Pike's extravagant salary, just start building data centers in 2025? Before 2025 was Google's infra running on dreams and pixie farts with baby deer and birdies chirping around? Why are the new data centers his company is building suddenly "raping the planet" and "unrecyclable"?

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Do you really think that the only reason people would be turned off by this post by Rob Pike is that they are being paid by big AI?

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Did Google, the company currently paying Rob Pike's extravagant salary, just start building data centers in 2025? Before 2025 was Google's infra running on dreams and pixie farts with baby deer and birdies chirping around? Why are the new data centers his company is building suddenly "raping the planet" and "unrecyclable"?

Yeah, I'm conflicted about the use of AI for creative endeavors as much as anyone, but Google is an advertising company. It was acceptable for them to build a massive empire around mining private information for the purposes of advertisement, but generative AI is now somehow beyond the pale? People can change their mind, but Rob crashing out about AI now feels awfully revisionist.

(NB: I am currently working in AI, and have previously worked in adtech. I'm not claiming to be above the fray in any way.)

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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What is going through the mind of someone who sends an AI-generated thank-you letter instead of writing it themselves? How can you be grateful enough to want to send someone such a letter but not grateful enough to write one?

> What is going through the mind of someone who sends an AI-generated thank-you letter instead of writing it themselves?

Welcome to 2025.

https://openai.com/index/superhuman/

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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If society could redirect 10% of this anger towards actual societal harms we'd be such better off. (And yes getting AI spam emails is absolute nonsense and annoying). GenAI pales in comparison to the environmental cost of suburban sprawl it's not even fucking close. We're talking 2-3 orders of magnitude worse. Alfalfa uses ~40× to 150× more water than all U.S. data centers combined I don't see anyone going nuclear ov…

We're not allowed to criticize anything we find wrong if there's anything else that's even worse? By the same logic, I could say that you should redirect your alfalfa woes to something like the Ukraine war or something.

I leave a nice 90% margin to be annoyed with whatever is in front of you at that point in time.

And also, I didn't claim alfalfa farming to be raping the planet or blowing up society. Nor did I say fuck you to all of the alfalfa farmers.

I should be (and I am) more concerned with the Ukrainian war than alfalfa. That is very reasonable logic.

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